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Posted 11/20/2015 2:21 PM (GMT 0)
There was a poster here many, many months ago who claimed to have gotten Lyme Disease from a friend who cried on him. Can someone help me find that post?
Posted 11/20/2015 3:08 PM (GMT 0)
There may be other threads discussing the situation but, here's one:

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3393317
Posted 11/20/2015 3:26 PM (GMT 0)
I could be wrong, but I think the member was LymePickle.
Posted 11/20/2015 4:06 PM (GMT 0)
You are right, Fronton - it was LymePickle who told his story in the thread I linked.
Posted 11/20/2015 6:31 PM (GMT 0)
Yes it was me that got it from a tear. And that... I'm 100% certain... Yes I'm that confident, I've had quite a bit of resistance from others about the idea but I hold strong and firm on I got it from a tear. Some argue well you got bit by a tick they can be so small, or you must have got scratched by a cat somewhere...

But also I didn't just get Lyme, but bartonella as well, and anaplasma.

It's contrary to what mainstream medicine suggests in that tears are 'sterile' and have salt and lysozymes to kill bacteria. It is true and probably it keeps bacteria down, but these are also atypical bacteria.

Also keep in mind though it depends on the infection load of the person, the health of their immune system, if they are currently receiving treatment, or have finished their treatment, etc. So please consider that there are variables. Also the tear, or bodily fluid, saliva, or whatever was infected has to get to an area of the body of someone like for example the mouth, genitals, eyes, places like this are more prone to getting an infection like this than for example someone who cried on you right on your skin... But it could be a different story if there was a break in the skin.

In my case it was from someone who was untreated, not even actively treating, and had lyme for a year or two.
Posted 11/20/2015 7:27 PM (GMT 0)
I think when people get Borrelia using these "unorthodox" ways, it's probably also because of some low immune system status that allows that to happen (and a bit of bad luck).

Let's remember that when the tick bites the host it injects its saliva which has immunosupressive effects, and that allows the infection to get the foothold it needs :

"We conclude that tick saliva affects the chemotactic properties of chemokines and AMPs on immune cells and has an antialarmin effect on human primary keratinocytes. Alarmins are mediators that mobilize and activate antigen-presenting cells. Inhibition of cutaneous innate immunity and of the migration of immune cells to the site of the tick bite ensures a favorable environment for Borrelia. The bacterium can then multiply locally and, subsequently, disseminate to the target organs, including joints, heart, and the central nervous system."
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3028856/
Posted 11/20/2015 11:12 PM (GMT 0)
As a kid (over 20 years ago), I took a tour of an FBI facility & found out that from a tear, blood type was revealed. Now, before you say well, duh, this was before DNA analyzing & CSI! I remember being fascinated at the time with this memory imprinted!

Anyway--please don't take offense at this question--but how can you be certain it was that tear & at that moment in time?
Posted 11/21/2015 1:56 AM (GMT 0)
i started a thread before reading this one. im not too happy right now

so if buhner says it can be passed thru tears, then it can be passed thru saliva too...?
Posted 12/20/2015 12:56 AM (GMT 0)
Awesome...Thanks!

Do you guys have the link of the original story told, where there was backlash & LP came back to express his firm belief that it was the tears?

This is all new & good stuff to know & good for all of us to keep in mind & check out Billionaire John Caudwell's experience on familial & close contact transmission.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3357784/Can-billionaire-John-Caudwell-s-bombshell-theory-right-Phone-tycoon-reveals-ELEVEN-family-crippling-Lyme-disease-believes-s-passed-p eople-NOT-ticks.html


"Can billionaire John Caudwell's bombshell theory be right? Phone tycoon reveals ELEVEN of his family now have crippling Lyme disease and he believes it's passed on by other people NOT ticks"
Posted 12/20/2015 1:56 AM (GMT 0)
Jackss - Lymepickle posted on this thread. I'm curious why you need to see the original thread?
Posted 12/20/2015 2:15 AM (GMT 0)
So kissing can infect?
Posted 12/20/2015 2:40 AM (GMT 0)
And, if I remember correctly, I was the one that argued the most with Lymepickle over that. Sorry about that LP. New ideas are hard to prove.
I can say I've learned a lot since then, not only on my own, but by LP, and others as well.

LP was really a good sport about the whole thing too. :-)
Posted 12/20/2015 3:53 AM (GMT 0)
Buhner says in his new book that there is significant potential for spirochete transmission in urine, semen and vaginal secretions, tears and to babies in the womb.

Page 16
Posted 12/20/2015 3:57 AM (GMT 0)
But page 15 is scarier to me:

"..... Borellia spirochetes are present in a variety of other biting arthropods, such as mosquitos, mites, fleas, and biting flies ....."

That is his typo of mosquitoes too, not me.
Posted 12/20/2015 4:15 AM (GMT 0)
And that is why we need to rebuild and fortify our immune systems.....it's our only chance of beating these infections and not getting others.
Posted 12/20/2015 4:30 AM (GMT 0)
bluelyme, I have not kissed my husband since I found out I have lyme. I miss it more than my health. We hug a lot for hellos and good byes. But, it isn't the same.
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