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Posted 1/12/2016 8:24 AM (GMT 0)
Ok so i have been treating myself just over a year now.

Conditions improved a little but one symptom has been intact.Swelling in my knees this where my lyme started from my right knee..Can anyone please tell me if they have gone through this and what did they do to get rid of this thing seriously all other symptoms are ok but just the knee pain and leg pain is just too much to handle..


Am sure someone would have the same symptom here my knees look a little swelled not much but yes they do i think there is a bit of fluid build up too.

Help Please !!!!!
Posted 1/12/2016 2:57 PM (GMT 0)
I have really bad knees pre-lyme. I used to get them drained and shot with cortisone but not now with lyme. RICE - rest, ice, compression and elevation. Ice is your best friend.

When that doesn't work I grab a homeopathic med. Someone on here said they use Arnica. I love Boericke & Tafel - Sports Gel. Non smelly and it works rather quickly.
Posted 1/12/2016 3:26 PM (GMT 0)
I use Arnica - although I think there are others as well.

As PeteZa said, you may have to go have them drained if it gets too bad, but this should clear up as you heal. Some people have found that the first symptoms they had with Lyme are the last to leave.

The other thing you should look into is the possibility of Bartonella, since the pain is in your legs as well. Lyme combined with Bart makes all pain a lot worse for a lot of people.

And I totally agree with and follow the R.I.C.E. method as well - lots and lots of the ice packs!! You can buy the nice clay ice packs from some Dollar General stores. They last just as long as the more expensive ones. Just be sure to not put it directly on your skin without the cover. No need to damage the skin and end up with an ice burn on top of the painful joints!
Posted 1/12/2016 10:09 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the reply guys.

I will definitely try the R.I.C.E way. Also traveler we went after bartonella and treated for about 8 Months straight on ABX plus I took Houttinya Tincture u think that's enough?/I still have muscle pain and joint pain in my legs to be honest my legs are the only troublesome part in the body for me .

What do you think should I also follow a herbal path on the side right now am off Rifampin and back to minomycin and azithromycin.


Plus loads of other supplements!!!
Posted 1/13/2016 1:29 AM (GMT 0)
While there is no way I could know what would be best for you, I can tell you that most people using abx will do better if the add in an herbal protocol as well. Many that use abx find that they will still herx when they switch over to herbs, so it's safe to say that the herbs reach places the the abx don't seem to.

Abx simply don't work for everyone, or there wouldn't be so many treatment failures, and people needing to add herbal protocols to them or using herbals afterwards in order to get ease their symptoms. Don't get me wrong, I do believe they have their place - only that they aren't for everyone. If they don't seem to be doing enough for you, I encourage you to start an herbal protocol either along side of the abx or in place of them.

And I hate to sound this way, but no one but you will know when you have had enough treatment. Bartonella infections often result in more than usual nerve pain and nerve issues than just Lyme alone - usually affecting the legs/feet and eyes most often - but it's far from limited to those areas. If you aren't getting enough relief from your leg issues with the treatments you are using, you definitely need to change something. Adding a Houttuynia medicinal tea to my Lyme protocol was all I needed to heal from my Bart infection, but it's often not enough for others.

Very vague, I know - sorry!
Posted 1/13/2016 12:36 PM (GMT 0)
So sorry to hear of these issues!

Bartonella can be challenging to treat. That's why Buhner incorporates more than Houttuynia in his Bartonella protocol. You'd need to read his latest book for the details on that protocol:

tinyurl.com/buhnerbart

Many LLMD's often treat for the "Big 3" (Lyme, Babesia and Bartonella) even with negative test results and not necessarily any definitive symptoms.

These bugs form biofilm with each other and communicate via quorum sensing. If you are dealing with an asymptomatic Babesia infection, for example, it will impede healing from Lyme and Bartonella if left untreated.

Healthy people are walking around with asymptomatic Babesia and Bartonella infections. Even the CDC acknowledges this on their website:

www.cdc.gov/parasites/babesiosis

"Although many people who are infected with Babesia do not have symptoms, for those who do effective treatment is available."

www.cdc.gov/bartonella/clinicians/index.html

"Most cases of cat scratch disease (CSD) resolve without treatment", although some patients may develop complications from disseminated disease.

Cat scratch disease is the henselae strain of Bartonella which is a common coinfection to Lyme. There are other strains of Bartonella/Bartonella-like infections for which there are no tests.

If healthy people can have no symptoms of Babesia or Bartonella and still be infected, it's entirely possible that those of us dealing with any of these infections could also be infected with Babesia and/or Bartonella....and not necessarily have any symptoms...or have mild symptoms...or just one symptom (mild or not)

My LLMD was adamant I've only been dealing with Lyme. Yet, he could not explain the plateau I hit after being on abx for 5 months and that continued after almost 6 months on the full Cowden protocol.

It was due to some Babesia-type herxes on Cowden's Babesia-specific herbs that I'd begun to wonder if I had Babesia.

Following Buhner's full Lyme, Babesia and Bartonella protocols since August of last year (and only being at full doses of the Babs/Bart herbs since mid-December) brought me from the plateau that had me 90% healed to my current estimated 98%.

Food for thought...
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