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Posted 1/30/2016 11:21 AM (GMT 0)
Have you heard of this? I was told last night. Regarding Plum Island. I've had Lyme disease for years. Diagnosed in 2012. Though it really makes sense. As you know how Virulent this horrifying chronic Lyme is. Just wanted to pick your brain. I was talking to people on Facebook regarding Lyme. A lady told me scientists had created Lyme disease. I went to Google and looked up Operation Paperclip Lyme disease. And a video explaining scientists had created Lyme, As biological warfare. I was dumbfounded. I thought no wonder this disease is so hard to get rid of! though I'm determined to treat it every day. I wanted to share this with a friend on my messenger box. my friend immediately started analyzing the video – saying this looks like a typical conspiracy or hoax YouTube video. Insinuating that Lyme was just another disease & it wasn't created by scientists. He was referring to Lyme as if it was a UFO. I did not expect that reaction from him. I got angry & thought "what if I sent you a video about your high blood pressure & told you your high blood pressure is a hoax." Do you know anything about scientists creating Lyme? What do you think of my friend's reaction? smurf
Posted 1/30/2016 12:36 PM (GMT 0)
yes, some "scientists" 15 mil years ago, lol

www.livescience.com/46007-lyme-disease-ancient-amber-tick.html
Posted 1/30/2016 12:47 PM (GMT 0)
Well the 5300 year old mummy named Otzi, tested positive for Lyme disease. I think he had mild Lyme, as few with chronic Lyme test positive on initial standard corrupted test. However I believe that our chronic Lyme is more complex and convoluted with co-infections. That's why Plum Island incident makes sense.
Posted 1/30/2016 1:19 PM (GMT 0)
I, too, wonder about Plum Island - especially since the epicenter for Lyme originated in a radius around it.

I also think our bodies have been so poisoned in modern times (pesticides, GMO foods, heavy metals, EMF's etc.) that they can't fight these infections as they could years ago.

In "olden days", Lyme would manifest as arthritis in the elderly....that's it.
Posted 1/30/2016 2:30 PM (GMT 0)
There simply is no way to tell if that mummy had mild or severe Lyme. It's not at all like cancer where there is visible evidence of how far it spread and how compromised the system is.

There is some validity to the Plum Island thought, especially since the "powers that be" deny it and act very suspicious about it, so I personally believe that it's more than possible that they were trying to weaponize it - although, it would seem to me that they would wish for their intended targets be compromised much quicker than Lyme generally does.

But, I also know that Lyme was strong enough to really make and keep someone ill LONG before the Plum Island incident - how? The Plum Island incident happened in the 1980's, right? I was infected in California in 1970 - the other side of the country and a full decade before then.

The thought is that's why Lyme is so bad in the areas surrounding where Plum Island is, but to assume that's where it all started denies that it was around to infect the millions of people that had Lyme before the 1980's.
Posted 1/30/2016 3:23 PM (GMT 0)
Kinda makes one think of the Georgia Guidestone reference to a maximum population of 500,000,000.

Very much seems like lyme is a weaponized germ. So does HIV, chronic wasting disease, mad cow, etc. Seems to be quite evil at its core.


“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
Ephesians 6:12,
Posted 1/30/2016 3:42 PM (GMT 0)
"(Btw, Trav, I know the first Lyme baby written up in medical journals, living in the NY Hamptoms. She was born in the 70's)"

Not to start a whole conversation on this alone (LOL!) - but I was already deep into my health issues by the year 1970. I had had pink eye and tonsillitis so much that I had nearly not been able to move on to the next grade 3 years in a row (2nd, 3rd, & 4th grades) because I missed so much school. My Mom was a school teacher back then too, so you know I went to school any time I was capable!

Anyway, my point is that it could not have crossed the country in that amount of time. It was already in California in 1970.


According to these sites, these are the years that they say the first cases were found:
"1975" (5 years after I had been deathly ill) www.ct.gov/dph/cwp/view.asp?a=3136&q=388506


"Early 1970's" " www.bayarealyme.org/about-lyme/history-lyme-disease/



"In 1975, Lyme disease was first recognized in the United States in children from Lyme, Connecticut." www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7-153-10370_12150_12220-26945--,00.html



Now this from Wikipedia is interesting, and it has lots of references to help back it up: /en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyme_disease#History - but I most like is what Dr. Masters (who was once my LLMD!!!) is quoted saying:

"Masters points out that the "track record" of the "conventional wisdom" regarding Lyme disease is not very good: "First off, they said it was a new disease, which it wasn't. Then it was thought to be viral, but it isn't. Then it was thought that sero-negativity didn't exist, which it does. They thought it was easily treated by short courses of antibiotics, which sometimes it isn't. Then it was only the Ixodes dammini tick, which we now know is not even a separate valid tick species. If you look throughout the history, almost every time a major dogmatic statement has been made about what we 'know' about this disease, it was subsequently proven wrong or underwent major modifications."

So, so true. Every time we think we know Lyme, we find out that it's changed - what we thought was true, isn't. This is emerging medicine though and that's what should be expected!!
Posted 1/30/2016 5:03 PM (GMT 0)
So a question about that mummy. How did they find evidence that he had lyme? If they can't positively say that we have it, how can they say a mummy has it? Could he have had it and not had symptoms? His immune system kept it at bay?

I guess I need to read another book......

I do believe that the government messes with all kinds of stuff. Oh and Plum Island opened in the 1950's as a government facility.
Posted 1/30/2016 5:38 PM (GMT 0)
Hello

Thanks for broaching this very important topic. I have been researching this topic for the past 12-13 years and can tell you beyond any doubt that the Lyme Denial is related to Borrelia's status as a sensitive bioweapons issue.

Certainly, the actions of the corporate insurance industry, biotech and Pharma companies etc have been part of it, but the biowarfare issue is the underlying and overarching reason why victims of this chronic infection are suffering.

User "mpost", you are very wrong to suggest that the finding of Borrelia in ancient samples somehow negates the fact that is a biowarfare issue.

Plague is an ancient disease, too. So is anthrax. Would you deny that these are biowarfare issues?

If plague and anthrax had not been weaponised, they might not pose such formidable threats to a modern, developed country. Ordinary antibiotics can deal with "wild-type" incfections. But bioweapons, by definition, have been altered so as to make them extremely difficult to treat (and usually, hard to detect as well).

As to how we can know whether the ancient Iceman had Lyme or not - in the context of an official coverup led by the US military and intelligence services, it's very difficult to know anything for sure in Lyme science.

The DNA of Bb was said to have been detected in his remains. It may have been planted there. Machines or software used to verify the origin of the DNA may have been tampered with. Someone involved with the study may have been paid, pressured, or ordered to lie.

Or the DNA of Bb may genuinely have been found there. Of course, it is a bit hard to understand how we would find Lyme - supposedly a disease that is "hard-to-catch", in an Iceman. The number of samples of human remains that exist from that period is tiny - what would be the chances of finding Lyme in one set, if Lyme was really so "hard-to-catch"?

But even if the find of Bb DNA is genuine - what does it tell us? Nothing much. We know that Borrelia burgdorferi - or at least, a Borrelia that was able to cause EM rashes, lymphocytoma, and ACA - was around in Europe in the 19th century. However, the records of Lyme as a distinctly **neurological disease** do not really start till the Second World War period (the single case described by Garin and Bujadoux in the 1920s is atypical, and couldhave been the original Bb plus another tick-borne infection).

And of course the Second World War period was a time of massive efforts to weaponise pathogens, especially on the part of Japan. Borrelia, babesia and tick-borne encepghalitis were just some of the organisms they studied.

Elena
Posted 1/30/2016 5:54 PM (GMT 0)
The answers to many of the questions raised here are in a FAQ which I wrote a few years ago, and which used to be on my website, www.elenacook.org .

I have had to take the site down for now, to protect viewers as Google was listing it as "hacked". I copied the FAQ here:

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3418441

Re Borrelia burgdorferi as a microbe that does not kill immediately - it's important to understand that the development of "incapacitating agents" has been a pre-occupation of biowarfaremen for decades - the weaponisation of Brucellosis during WW2 is a classic example.

The US has had a whole division of its biowar effort devoted to "Non-lethal incapacitating agents" for decades.

Again, I've explained some of the reason why armies are so interested in incapacitants in the FAQ (and it's not for"humanitarian" reasons, I assure you.)

Another consideration is that an incapacitant can be used against an individual - a head of state, a general - or just a dissident, a journalist, activist, writer etc whom a government does not like.

Re the question of where and when Borreliosis erupted in the States - the 1970s saw reports of Lyme breaking out in the area around Lyme, Ct, but also the West Coast as Traveler has said, and the area near the Great Lakes.

Later, it was realised that it is in most parts of the US (though CDC still deny this).

The simultaneous breakout in differnt regions of the US could be connected with birds transporting ticks (seabirds have been proven to efficiently transport Lyme ticks "trans-hemispherically" -basically, around the world - during migration.)

Another possibility is that, while Plum Island was certainly doing biowarfare work, parallel work could have been going on simultaneously in facilities in other parts of the USA.

If they all had the same appalling standards of biocontainment as Plum island has been proven to have had - or were doing "open-air tick trials" (as Plum Island did), it would not be surprising if the disease took hold in these separate locations around the same time.

What is eye-opening is that there is not a single report of an erythema migrans rash in the US medical literature until 1970 (reporting on a case that was diagnosed in 1969.)

If Lyme Borrelia was present in wildlife in the USA prior to that (as the Steere camp claim), then it was must have been present in a form that could not infect humans, or only extremely rarely infected them.

The idea that it emerged when forests returned does not hold. As Michael Carroll pointed out in his excellent non-fiction book Lab 257, we would have seen a gradual emergence of Lyme - not sudden epidemics breaking out in defined geographical areas, where prior there was none. Forests don't grow overnight.

Elena
Posted 1/30/2016 6:11 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you, Elena. Everything that I would like to be able to say, but can't.

I feel truth of the matter is somewhere in the middle. It existed then, but not as it does now. It's more, worse.

Our reasoning as to why holds a lot of value as well. The sorts of studies that she mentioned are documented, and a lot more thoroughly than what your side of the argument has to offer, if anyone really wants to take it that sort of "I'm right, you're wrong" place.

I just want the truth..
Posted 1/30/2016 10:05 PM (GMT 0)
Two more thumbs up, Elena.

I am highly suspect of any statements that start with the words "they say" as in 'the authorities say'. There is what 'they say' and then what 'we know'.

What we know is that there is a crazy, ridiculous silence (and when that doesn't work, then ridicule and attack) about something so obviously real as lyme/related illness. And this is an era where the medical powers that be can't wait to diagnose everyone with anything and throw perpetual pharmaceuticals and 'provider' visits at it.

Curious.
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