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Posted 2/6/2016 11:16 PM (GMT 0)
Okay, so I have (what I think) is Buhner's newest version of his book, Healing Lyme. I was reading the Core Protocol, and my understanding, is that I start with that and can later add/adjust things as needed?

Earlier, BEFORE buying the book, I had bought a bunch of things that had been mentioned on his website (and maybe things I read somewhere else?) -I was on a buying/panic frenzy that day. I'm now trying to figure out what I have that's part of the core protocol and what I still need to get, but I'm getting really overwhelmed.

If there is anyone willing to help, I'd greatly appreciate it!

Right now I have (but not sure if it's the core protocol or why I have it):
- Japanese Knotweed capsules (500 mg) from Green Dragon Botanicals
- Cat's Claw capsules (450 mg) from Green Dragon Botanicals
- Eleuthero liquid from Green Dragon Botanicals
- Sida Acuta from Woodland Essence
- Cryptolepis from Woodland Essence
- Astragalus from Mountain Herbs
- Bee Propolis

So is Japanese Knotweed Polygonum cuspidatum root that he mentions in the book? And if so, I can't figure out how many capsules to take.

I don't even see the Cat's Claw or other things I bought in the core protocol in the book, so now I have no idea why I even bought it?

I think I bought the Astragalus for my family to help protect from lyme, but not sure now.

I'm so overwhelmed!

Post Edited (JSlag) : 2/6/2016 5:44:28 PM (GMT-7)
Posted 2/6/2016 11:27 PM (GMT 0)
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Posted 2/6/2016 11:31 PM (GMT 0)
I was very overwhelmed at first too. Don't feel alone.

I did tinctures because I wanted to start very LOW and SLOW. However I did the Cat's Claw in capsule form and have continued it.

If it were me, I would start with the Japanese Knotweed. Do 1 capsule the first day and see if you feel anything strange. Maybe only do 1 capsule the second day. Then on the 3rd day do 2 spaced out to give you a longer lasting herb. You are going slow to see how this affects you. Are you detoxing?? That should have begun before the Japanese Knotweed. Then you slowly move up in the dose and times per day.

Buhner says: Japanese Knotweed capsules (500mg Polygonum cuspidatum per tablet)
150 lb adult: 1-4 tablets 3-4x daily

All recommendations are on his web site. http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/category/herbs/knotweed/ -- On the far right had side.

Just remember that these are recommendations and are not set in stone. If you feel that is enough then stop there.
Posted 2/6/2016 11:49 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, Cats claw are in the 'new' protocol :)

Infact he recommends uncaria tormentossa (the cats claw in his last book) and also uncaria rhynchophylla (cats claw with the hooks) which is specific for neuroborreliosis. (pages 251 of the book - under immune remodulation and neuroborreliosis). More info on both starts on page 354.

Hope that helps :)
Posted 2/6/2016 11:56 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks so much PeteZa and silly sheep! I do think it's a good idea to go slow, so I definitely will.
Posted 2/7/2016 12:02 AM (GMT 0)
So, I've been on the internet trying to decipher all the stuff from the book in the core protocol. Just noting it here in case anyone else is in the same boat, or in case any catches an error on my part:

Buhner Core Protocol:

1.Polygonum Cuspidatum Root (Japanese Knotweed)
2. Salvia Miltiorrhiza (Red Sage?) and Scutellaria Baicalensis (Chinese Skullcap?)
3. Vit. C and Selenium
4. Uncaria Tomentosa Bark (Cat's Claw)
5. Cordyceps mycelium
6. Withania Somnifera powder (Ashwagandha)- can only find extract right now
7. Eleutherococcus Senticosus (Eleuthero)
8. Glycyrrhiza (Licorice Root)
9. Andrographis
Posted 2/7/2016 12:06 AM (GMT 0)
No worries JSlag, I hope that this protocol works for you too :)

Remember that the maximum doses aren't a number to aim at, some people need far less than the maximum, so don't feel you need to keep pushing up the doses to a 'magic number', everyone is different. If you herx badly don't be afraid to lower the doses and of course up your detox.

Keep us posted as to how you get on - and shout if you need any more help with sorting out what's what :)
Posted 2/7/2016 12:09 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks so much, silly sheep. I really want to start slow- one thing at a time and a little at a time, so I can catch anything I'm not reacting to well. I just wish there was a magic pill. :)
Posted 2/7/2016 12:36 AM (GMT 0)
Slag - in your first post you mentioned Cryptolepis and sida acute being in the lyme protocol.

I haven't read the latest Lyme book of Stephen Buhner's...
So, he has added those two herbs to the core protocol for treating lyme?


I do know cryptolepis is for babesia and sida acute is for babesia and bartonella.
Posted 2/7/2016 12:42 AM (GMT 0)
No, I don't think they were added, Girlie. I had bought them, but couldn't remember why. Maybe I should edit that to make it more clear in my original post. Later on in the thread I listed what was in the core protocol. Just trying to decipher what is newly recommended and what has changed (and why oh why did I buy these other things). :)
Posted 2/7/2016 12:48 AM (GMT 0)
Well, it may be you bought them because you want to treat babesia?

Don't get rid of them...as lyme rarely travels alone...so it's likely you will need to treat babs or bart...or both.

In fact, my LLND told me to take Crypto when we were treating lyme only...he felt it was a good general antimicrobial.
Posted 2/7/2016 2:03 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks, Girlie. That's good to know! I'll definitely hang on to everything.
Posted 2/7/2016 5:38 PM (GMT 0)
Following, preparing to start Buhner protocol. These aren't cheap.
Posted 2/7/2016 8:42 PM (GMT 0)
kathie - they aren't cheap to purchase...but your first bottles will last quite a while...as we are starting at such a low dose...and increasing incrementally...that your first bottles should last a couple of months...or longer. (I know mine did)
Posted 2/8/2016 3:25 AM (GMT 0)
If it helps, this is what's on the amount per serving on the side of the bottle of LB tonic protocol based on Buhner's protocol.

3-4 times per day
Japanese Knotweed root 500mg
Cats Claw vine bark 500mg
Eleuthero root 430mg
Sarsparilla root 110mg
Dandelion herb 110mg
Posted 2/8/2016 4:02 AM (GMT 0)
I saved some money by buying the 4 ounce bottles. There is a slight savings in buying in larger sizes. I wish I had of done this sooner! Just a FYI.

Save your smaller bottles so you can transfer the tincture to a better handled smaller bottle with a dropper. I have only a few 4 oz bottles that come with droppers.
Posted 2/9/2016 6:33 PM (GMT 0)
I'm new to the forum and am also interested in the Buhner protocol.
I have been learning a lot and taking notes, but would feel more comfortable with the guidance of an herbalist or LLMD....any recommendations? I'm near Albany NY but could travel to western ma or VT.
Posted 2/9/2016 7:03 PM (GMT 0)
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Posted 2/9/2016 7:52 PM (GMT 0)
JSlag, Healing Lyme is not his most recent book. its almost a decade old. Buy his newer books.

His website is also outdated and for some reason even though a lot of people know this, they copy and paste the protocol from his website. (For example: Buhner believes that usually tinctures are strongest but his website has powder forms of herbs, which would lead to the wrong dosage...).
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