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Posted 2/15/2016 5:45 PM (GMT 0)
I guess i should start by saying I am confused. I went off Zythro a month ago in preparation of going on IV Rocephin. We thought I would only be off the Zythro for a week or so to get approval from the insurance company. Well we only got approval last Thursday, scheduled for this Thursday. When my LLND's office called on Friday to schedule, I mentioned that I had been feeling much better since I stopped the Zythro. I saw my LLND this morning to have a bench mark before adding the IV. She was floored by my improvement in only a month. By no means am I healed, but the improvement is more than substantial. I feel like I have my life back.

Too add to the confusion I also have neen exposed to a mold toxin; Tricothecene at a high level. The nasal version of Muceperin that I have been taking seems to have really kicked in over the last month or two. In some ways mold and Lyme overlap, so it is difficult to determine which med has helped what.

I have more energy than I have had in 18 months. I have not vomited in weeks, able to eat full meals for the first time in a year. My brain seems clearer and I have interest in doing things. I still have symptoms to be sure; Tinnitus, Neuropathy, RLS and some vision issues.

She gave me the choice of adding the IV, or staying with herbs and adding Tidinazole slowly, (in the past I had herxed heavily with this med). I am on Byron White's A-L drops, Mc-Bar2 and A-Fng; 12 drops each twice a day. I am also on various vitamins and supplements, detoxing regularly.

In light of my improvement we decided to put off the IV and try the Tidinazole added to my regular regimen. Is this a mistake, should I "stay ahead of it" as they say with pain meds? Or does this seem like a reasonable course of action?

I really appreciate any input, I want to stay on the right course and not go backwards.

Thanks,
Ed
Posted 2/15/2016 5:52 PM (GMT 0)
I would definitely do something....I went off of antibiotics, felt a lot better, was able to take classes and relapsed 5 months later. I wasn't all the way better but enough I felt like I could live my life again.
Having said that, I really believe in herbs and IV rocephin is hard on your body. I just took a month of it and it made my face itch, tore up my intestines, and I had to stop also because of an allergy to the bandages. That's probably just a an individual reaction but I think if you're already so much better, why put yourself through that?
Posted 2/15/2016 6:08 PM (GMT 0)
This describes me perfectly! I was on antibiotics for almost a year and a half! With very little improvement! My llmd took me off everything but Tindazol and started buhners protocols for lyme babs and bart in december! After a couple weeks I started feeling pretty good and it has slowly got better and better! I feel better now than I have in two years since this all started in march 14. I sure hope I didnt stop antibiotics too soon and I relapse! I worry about that all the time! I am up to about 90% or so and just dealing with some nerve issues muscle twitching stuff like that. Still back pain and extreme stiffness comes and goes. It was my very first symptom and i guess will be last to go. I was a avid runner and in the last two years barely was able to do it at all. I was able to start back again around the first of the year and last week I ran 27 miles including a 8 miler saturday morning! I just HOPE I didnt stop antibiotics too soon. I am also curious what others have to say about this!!!!!
Posted 2/15/2016 8:02 PM (GMT 0)
Considering you are feeling so much better, I would encourage you to stick with the herbs. It's possible that the abx were creating too many toxins for your body to deal with very well. And, many transition to herbs after using abx for a while and finish their healing that way. You can always go back to abx if it seems the herbs aren't helping enough, or switch to a different herbal protocol.

Remember that stressful times will bring on more symptoms and to keep detoxing really well.
Posted 2/15/2016 8:51 PM (GMT 0)
I have a question Traveler.....I am on Buhner full protocol for lyme. Plus a few others for bart, babs, and a couple my llmd recommended as well. When I first started taking them I posted a question about dosage. I started slow and worked up to twice a day and full dropper on the liquid ones and twice a day on the ones that are pills. I definitely herxed in the beginning but the last couple weeks I have not! I am feeling a ton better but not at 100% by any means. Should I continue to increase my dosage a little more? Or stick with it because it seems to be working?
Posted 2/15/2016 9:50 PM (GMT 0)
Keep on increasing your dosages until you reach the full dose and then hold there for the recommended amount of time. Buhner's older writings (they may have changed is why I mention this) says for a 150 lb adult to get up to 1 tsp 3 times daily of Japanese Knotweed. (2/3rds of a tsp for a 100 lb adult)


Most droppers hold 30 drops at most when considered full. Let's assume you have counted it out and know that your dropper holds 30 drops - be sure to count them out and adjust as necessary though.


According to this chart (yay for charts!), a tsp is 100 drops. /www.beneficialbotanicals.com/facts-figures/tables.html


This means that for a 150 lb adult, a person would need to take approx. 3 & 1/2 droppers, 3 times a day in order to be at full doses - 100 lbs adult would need to use approx 2 droppers plus 6 more drops.

I just restarted treatments, so please, please double check my math before proceeding!! smilewinkgrin
Posted 2/16/2016 12:08 AM (GMT 0)
wow thanks I am doing only half of what i need it seems. one dropper of everything twice a day right now. Ill step it up I guess.
Posted 2/16/2016 12:20 AM (GMT 0)
I was on IV Rocephin. It was pretty effective for straight Lyme, but it does mess with you quite a bit, and this is coming from someone who tolerates both ABX and herbal stuff very well. The first few days I was on Rocphin I suffered migraine headaches that affected my vision and balance as well. I felt great after going off of ABX, then fell off the Lymes wagon three weeks later. Rocephin works very well, but yeah, it is potent stuff on your body. This is probably TMI but I didn't poop solid for a month, and that was while taking strong probiotics.

If you do eventually go on Rocephin, I would prepare your body ahead of time and take probiotics for like a week in advance. Once your gut starts falling to the effects of ABX, it's hard to recover the flora without getting off the ABX all together, which isn't really an easy option when you have a PICC or Med-Line stuck in you. However, like everyone is saying, if you're getting better without it, don't go on it, since your just damaging your immune system at that point.
Posted 2/16/2016 12:56 PM (GMT 0)
I want to make sure something is very clear - just because a person is using herbs, it in no way means that they don't need to take probiotics daily.


Justin J said...
wow thanks I am doing only half of what i need it seems. one dropper of everything twice a day right now. Ill step it up I guess.

Just be sure that you go slowly!
Posted 2/16/2016 2:15 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you all. It is so very good to hear affirmation that I am on the right path. i am open to going on IV abx if needed, but logic just tells me to stay with what is working while it is working. Especially in that I am gaining a solid part of my life back.

I will keep you all posted as time progresses.

Thanks,
Ed
Posted 2/16/2016 2:31 PM (GMT 0)
We'll be watching for any updates!! Best of luck!
Posted 2/16/2016 5:07 PM (GMT 0)
Ed

Count me in with another vote for your decision to trust your gut and stick with the herbs.

Abx got me to 90%. Almost 6 months on the full Cowden protocol maintained that. Buhner's Lyme, Babs and Bart protocols (with the latter 2 only up to 8 drops of each herb) brought me to 98% after only 4 months.

I've been at full doses for just 2 months now and continue to experience improvements. My twitches are so very light and infrequent now.

I have complete faith in the herbs to heal me....and keep me healthy. I plan on taking a bunch of supportive herbs for the rest of my life. My body feels new inside and I like that feeling :)

Best wishes for your continued success!!!
Posted 2/16/2016 7:20 PM (GMT 0)
So great to hear these stories! Thanks! Yes Travelor I am stepping up slowly! I am excited that I have so much improvement already only on about half doses of everything! Abx didnt help me nearly as much as these have!
Posted 2/19/2016 3:27 PM (GMT 0)
For some of us, herbs just work better. No one knows until they try them either.
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