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Posted 3/11/2016 4:01 PM (GMT 0)
Started Samento and Enula 2 days ago 5 drops of each (once a day). Today is my last day of doxy and Samento and Enula, then I will go with herbs only.
Samento + Enula, and Pinella + Burbur.
Feeling herx today after I woke up in the morning.
Body aches, severe headache, blurry vision, blood shot eye.
Feeling really sick.
Posted 3/11/2016 4:07 PM (GMT 0)
I'm so sorry that you are feeling so poorly, Planny. Are you detoxing? What all are you doing? The hardest part of healing, in my opinion, is that when we feel our worst is when we have to do the most detoxing - and that's hard sometimes.

I would encourage you to not move forward with new herbs while you are in a herx though. If you are out of Doxy, it's okay to go without it for a few days while you detox and get this herx under control.
Posted 3/11/2016 4:33 PM (GMT 0)
Traveler,

My Doctor told me to take doxy for 3 days with Samento and Enula, then stop doxy and continue with herbs only.

I am detoxing as much as I can... I even bought portable sauna for the house... trying to use it if not every day, I take activated charcoal, bentonite clay, take Glutathion in the form of supplement, Epsom salt baths- try to rotate those with sauna...Taking Pinella and Burbur...

I drink Lemon water ( lots), water with Apple cider vinegar. Yogi detox tea gave me bad allergy, so stopped that one.
Since the weather is fabulos here in MD, trying to take long walksm but then can feel my joints... Have to ramp up slowly and take short walks.
I will see how evening goes, might go to the regular sauna today to get as much toxins out as I can...
Posted 3/11/2016 4:42 PM (GMT 0)
Well, that's an interesting approach to take the Doxy for only 3 days. Did he/she give an explanation for that? I'm just curious.

Is it possible that maybe you are doing too much with the walks? Just trying to come up with why you are feeling so poorly. You are doing quite a bit for detoxing, so unless you have gene mutations or something else blocking you from being able to detox, then maybe it's from doing too much or it's viral? Is that a possibility?

I'm so sorry, I'm just guessing here. I've not used those herbs, but I don't remember anyone herxing specifically on those herbs when they are detoxing like you are. Hopefully someone with some insight will be along soon.
Posted 3/11/2016 4:49 PM (GMT 0)
I've been on doxy for over 2,5 months...
I believe the idea of taking doxy for 3 days with herbs is to let the herbs to build up( or to do whatever they need to start doing) and then stop doxy and continue with herbs.

I communicate with doctor by e-mail. It is extremly hard to get an appointment with him. People wait for months to see him.

We will see. My Lyme diagnosis is a clinical diagnosis and not confirmed by blood work entirely ( I only had WB Igm 23 Present Abnormal, which is specific for Lyme, but all 10+ doctors that i saw before my current doctor, were still saying that I had no Lyme). and this was regardless of the fact, that I have 99% of the symptomsof Lyme and confirmed co-infection (Mycoplasma) and some viruses.

My current doctor thinks that I have neuro-toxic illness caused by Lyme... and like you say -the main focus is to kill the bacteria and to do a lot fo detox!!!!!

Everything started in February of 2015- extremly bad headaches and visits to ER with not finding any root cause. Then later joints and other neurological issues appeared and again,they could not be explained neither by neurologists nor my rheumatologists...

So, I trust my doctor and do whatever he says. One of his patients told me: "I put my life into his hands". He is very smart!!!!
SO, I hope he can fix me...:-)

Post Edited (Planny) : 3/11/2016 9:52:40 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 3/11/2016 5:00 PM (GMT 0)
Oh!! Now I see (I think!) - he's transitioning you over to herbs. Ha, sorry!

With herxing like you are having, I would encourage you to move slowly while continuing to detox as much as you can. If you can't seem to get on top of this herxing, I would encourage you to write to your doctor and let him know what's going on at least. It could indicate further issues.
Posted 3/11/2016 5:07 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you, Traveler!

I will definitly do that.
Thank you for all fo your help!!!! :-)
Posted 3/11/2016 5:16 PM (GMT 0)
Ha ha ha!! What help? LOL! All I did was ask you a bunch of questions!
Posted 3/11/2016 5:22 PM (GMT 0)
Questions are always good!!!!
We all learn by asking each other questions. This is what make this forum so helpful for all of us... :-)
Posted 3/17/2016 7:14 PM (GMT 0)
Started increasing amount of Samento an Enula... One day I am feeeling OK, the next day I feel like I am on a death row....I am up to 7 drops of each... will be adding 2 more drops for the next 2 days... see how it goes...
Must be herxing, although doing lots of detox...
Posted 4/4/2016 5:34 PM (GMT 0)
My wife is in the same boat. She has severe 'herx' now since starting banderol and samento in November. She can't get above 5 drops each/twice daily. :-/
Posted 4/4/2016 7:45 PM (GMT 0)
Those sound like detoxing issues most likely. Have you (Planny or Kliend's wife) had any of the gene testing done for the MTHFR gene mutations? When a person has a gene mutation that is making it very difficult for their body to detox effectively, their body can be quickly overwhelmed with toxins - even though they are doing quite a bit of detoxing. That's because it's like there is a gate in the body that still needs to be opened before those toxins are released so that they can be detoxed out.
Posted 4/4/2016 9:14 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks Traveler, She is doing many of the suggested detox regime items already...

Would you recommend paying for this test? Does treatment change whether or not she tests positive for it?

Thank you for your time.
Posted 4/4/2016 9:23 PM (GMT 0)
The testing for the gene mutations would allow her to know if there is an issue. You can't change your genes, but if she has any, with a specific supplement or two, her body could make the "connections" it needs to in order to function (detox) better/easier.

I have not had any of the gene mutation testing done (this was before it was understood how it could affect Lyme patients), although I do seem to have the same kind of issues as those that do - so I figured it was best for me to assume that I did and work to get my body to detox much better. It took a lot of diet changes as things with my body changed, I used a foot soak daily, dry skin brushing, making sure my bowels moved at least once a day (sorry if it's TMI!) pushing myself to drink at least 64 ounces of lemon water each and every day, liver/gall bladder flushes (all natural), oil pulling, taking activated charcoal and keeping the amount of stress in my life at a bare minimum. Now that I'm back in treatment (eyes), I've changed things a bit, and am detoxing even better this time around.
Posted 4/5/2016 2:08 PM (GMT 0)
Sounds good Traveler! Your time is valuable, thank you for sharing. :)

Back to detoxing it is!
Posted 4/5/2016 2:22 PM (GMT 0)
By the way, thank you for the support on while talking to that guy on the You tube video!! I actually made some good enough points, he wants to talk to me more!! smilewinkgrin
Posted 4/5/2016 4:54 PM (GMT 0)
Oh my. Youtube is notorious for the WORST people placing comments on that site. Holy crap.
Posted 4/5/2016 5:42 PM (GMT 0)
Agreed, I'm not sure what got into me to even engage that person - but now he's asking for articles to back up my view and my experiences. Even if it's only a seed planted for others, it might be worth it.
Posted 4/7/2016 2:53 AM (GMT 0)
Doxy make more round forms ...cowden didnt hit me that hard ...couldbit be relapse...get some Andrographis and maybe try buhner cpn protocal...do you know what type of myco you have there is great thread on other forum by mathias on myco succeptabitity...also byron white has good formula and heard good thing about raintree myco not sure if its still available...
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