Headache Help please!

First of all, I'm so very sorry!!

From what I understand, frontal lobe headaches are more common to Babesia. I get these too as they are no fun at all!! Do you have other Babesia symptoms? You may need to consider treating for Babesia along side of your Bartonella.

Some times, oral arnica montana will help when no other over the counter stuff works for me - and I take a fair amount of aleve over the course of a year. Sometimes even if it will only take the edge of, it's worth it for me.

But pulsing treatments is generally okay for abx, although for herbs it's not only unnecessary, but not really helpful either, unless you have just increased your doses too quickly. Is that possible???

There are so many different types of headaches that can be caused by Lyme, Bart and Babs that I'm never sure which one is causing it, even when it's happening to me (except I don't have any Lyme symptoms, so I rule that one out!).

It's possible that you need to retreat the Babs, but I wouldn't do so just on my word! LOL! Wait and see how things go - it could just be part of a herx for you. Do you know if it's more likely that the headaches are coming from the herbs or the pharma abx? If it was caused by the pharma abx, you could pulse them and take the herbs in regular daily doses is what I was thinking was all.

And what about increasing your detoxing in case it's a herx symptom? I would try binders if you aren't using them yet. If so, try an Epsom Salt/peroxide foot soak and see if that helps any.

Some times there is nothing we can do for the headaches and we just have to get through it all by taking aleve or whatever seems to work - but don't let them escalate into migraines all the time without bringing up to your doc and looking into it.

I am starting to think its a herx bc it builds up and intensifies as I get into the 3rd week of treatment. Its new upon starting bart protocol. Seems to hurt with both herbals and abx. Figures, cause I was just starting to feel really great improvement after 1.5 yrs of treatment. Extra detoxing and binders don't seem to touch it, I was even thinking all the extra detoxing was making it worse...lol. Great points to ponder. Its so helpful to bounce ideas around.

I thought maybe it was blood pressure too, mine is borderline high, I have tried many bp meds, they all make me feel worse:(. Last one gave me intense migraine of all things. I am thinking it may be an histamine response to treatment and have just restarted claritin, lets see if that hits it. Meanwhile...I will try to just pulse the antibiotics and stay steady on the herbs!

I agree, I can handle anything better than the headache thing. I have deepest empathy for migraine sufferers. Thank you both so much!! Onwards as they say!

I just thought too that I was taking too many supps, who knows? I taking less and less of these as I get better. I think in general I feel that the headaches are a by product of all of this - finding your balance is key, whatever that balance is.

I have my worst herxes at the 3 week mark. I passed that with one set of herbs and this week is week 3 for the Houttuynia.... and I'm feeling it!! But it's not as bad as it has been in the past or than it could be, so I'm trying my best to count my blessings.

I have discovered I respond very differently to the different detoxing items. I love the Yogi detox tea, but can only use them about 3 or 4 times a week or I have a lot of soft tissue swelling. I can use an Epsom Salt/peroxide foot soak about every 3rd day, or when I need to reduce the overall soft tissue swelling, but if I do it more often, my joints and muscles have more symptoms.

Maybe if you keep track you can find what will help with certain things as well???

If you believe it could be due to high histamine levels, this basic article might be of some help:
www.mindbodygreen.com/0-11175/everything-you-need-to-know-about-histamine-intolerance.html

Best of luck and let us know what you figure out!

This is SO good - thank you for sharing! In headache journeys I think it is always a good idea to keep a headache journal. There are certain red flags when it comes to something in the brain (headaches that don't respond to pain meds, headaches that get worse with exercise, headaches that are worse when you bend over) and tick borne stuff can affect the vascular system. Post aneurysm repair I am glad I pushed my doc to take another look at my brain. I am going to try the peppermint.

Okay, Patty, now you're just rubbing it in that you can have coffee, aren't you? Just kidding!

Yes, I have to avoid all caffeine, so that doesn't even cross my mind any longer, but caffeine can be very, very helpful in treating headaches, especially migraines.

Oh no, Summer! Well, I have tried just going without any coffee like substance, and didn't do well. I'm just not an herbal tea drinker in the morning!

I use Pero, but the taste leaves something to be desired, but if I add a 1/2 tsp of coconut oil and make it strong, it's passable.

I've heard that Teeccino Hazelnut flavor is supposed to be really good though! I may get around to trying it one day, but I don't like my "coffee" flavored all the time.

Please do let us know how your test results come out!! Best of luck!

Dr Horowitz often gives Smilex and Red Root to his patients for herxes.

Thank you all for the great info!
I never heard of smilex Georgia, is it an herb? Oh its sarsaprilla per google, yes I take that and red root.
I just took my hawthorne, thanks for the reminder:).
I can never give up my morning jo!

I always get a frontal headache. But I've never tested positive for Babs or Bart. Lyme cpn and cmv have all been positive, however. That is always where my head hurts when killing off more spirochetes. For me a herx is in my back and a toxic headache from spirochete die off is frontal headache (usually the next morning after new anti microbial is added until I can flush it through)

Wow! Looked up the price of the essential oil - I think I decided I need to start making some of my own stuff rather than buying, when possible. I've just about blown through my savings. I won't be able to afford treatment and need to figure this out!

Lymey111,

I take Ibuprofen. Aleve does nothing for me. But sometimes I have to take 3 for it to work. I think it works because Lyme is an inflammatory disease and Ibuprofen is an anti-inflammatory. I don't like to take it, however. I have a headache right now. I am doing the Buhner protocol and after the evening dose of Japanese knotweed and Cats Claw, if I just lay on the couch and watch TV, my head will really hurts. The other doses during the day don't seem to have that same effect. I have come to the conclusion that drinking a lot of water and moving around seem to help.

I am curious about the bart. I have never tested positive, like I' ve mentioned. I wonder if I would order the herbs for bart and try them if I would notice a difference. I never thought I had bart symptoms. I certainly have Lyme joint pain!