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Posted 3/8/2016 3:08 PM (GMT 0)
Hi guys!
I live a pretty variable free life - strict diet etc. I can't find any variables to explain what happened and I'm curious if this has happened Ed to anyone.

On 2/27 & 2/28, I was prescribed 250mg penicillamine - directions were 2 pills, 4 times a day for 2 days - collect urine on day 2 for toxic metals test.

I noticed on day 2 a rash that started in both arms, on my wrists near my thumbs. It was pink, and splotchy like hives, but not bumpy or itchy. It was aggravated by heat- baths and showers were making it flare up. I was taking a bath every 2-3 days bc I needed to detox. It got better a few days later - one full week later, I took another bath, this time I added Rosemary essential oil. I sweated a lot, woke up next day sweating - and rash was red and aggravated & itchy as heck!!!!

So I call the llmd- I think I could hear him shrug his shoulders... Told me to get Zyrtec for a couple of days and see how it is in a few days...

It's less itchy today but keeps flaring up getting red then calming back down. It's also spread since last week...

If it was a reaction to food or even meds I would think I would have a rash all over.

Anyone ever have an experience like this? In not sure what's going on - I started biaxin on 2/17 - is it possibly a delayed reaction to biaxin? I've also noticed my nerve pain and sciatica has increased since switching over to macrolide abx.

Wondering about this rash just might drive me crazy!!

Post Edited (eagle0eye0JC) : 3/18/2016 6:16:12 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/8/2016 5:05 PM (GMT 0)
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Posted 3/8/2016 5:18 PM (GMT 0)
Gosh yes. On the back of my hand between the wrist and that thumb joint. Itchy with absolutely no reason. I have not figured out what is the cause. I am like you and not many variables in my house so whenever I get unexplained "stuff" I just chalk it up to lyme. I tried Benadryl and it went away. But when I did nothing it went away. So I gave up and just rub it with coconut oil and try not to scratch the heck out of it.
Posted 3/18/2016 12:20 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for your reply Peteza! That's exactly where my rash is!

Im completely baffled since the first appearance of this rash it has flared up twice more - about 7 day cycles. Goes away in a few days..

I'm allergic to corn so I have opted against Zyrtec this time - it did not seem to make a difference the first time around when I tried it for 4 days.

I have increased my detox lately so my question is - is this detox related? Herx related? Should I call my llmd or just wait till I see him next Wednesday? I don't feel like there's anything he could do.. He will prob just tell me to take Zyrtec again!

My nerve pain has been constant for almost 2 months now..

I thought it was candida related so I increased my oil of oregano dosage back to 4 pills/day... Never herded from ADP before, so I wasn't thinking herx.

I also have a constant mystery rash on my scalp. The un knows really drive me crazy!!!
Posted 3/18/2016 1:10 PM (GMT 0)
7 day cycle could be Bartonella which is famous for causing skin issues.

Increased detoxing is always a good idea.

These infections cause the weirdest symptoms. Hubby looked at me like I have two heads sometimes when I shared some of them.

Buhner suggest Kudzu and Greater Celandine for nerve pain....

Hope you feel better soon!!
Posted 3/18/2016 1:46 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks CD I'll have to research those as I am not familiar with them. I'll mention them to my llmd since the nerve stuff has made me miserable!

The newest things I've added have been curcumin with black pepper for inflammation & activated charcoal (I took 2 doses yesterday). Then I have a daily detox routine which includes acv & lemon water, dry brushing, oil pulling, Epsom salt & baking Duda baths every night lately - and various essential oils.

I am currently on Biaxin XL only - if this is Bart, what might be the best combination option to treat Bart babs and lyme? I see my llmd next Wednesday and I always try to do my research first - he was treating me for babesia in more recent months but I was never able to combine anything with the cyst buster so he switched me to biaxin - in preparation to add a 2nd and third drug to the mix after he saw how I reacted to the biaxin.
Posted 3/18/2016 2:20 PM (GMT 0)
You are doing some great things for detox. Perhaps you might want to add something for liver detox and maybe take Alka Seltzer Gold at least for herxes if not 2-3 times/day.

If herxing gets too bad, it's really best to back down on treatment until you can get things under control. The increased inflammation that herxing represents delays healing.

I wouldn't say there is a "best combination" of any abx. It's a matter of what generally works and then what works for the individual.

Rifampin is a common addition to Biaxin when treating Bart as is Zithromax. Minocycline is another abx that's used for both Bart and Lyme. And, Biaxin also treats Lyme.

Based upon what I've read about Babesia resistance to the pharma anti-malarials, I'd be inclined to treat that infection herbally. There's no way any bug can develop resistance to the thousands of constituents in herbs.
Posted 3/18/2016 4:17 PM (GMT 0)

eagle0eye0JC said...
Hi guys!
I live a pretty variable free life - strict diet etc. I can't find any variables to explain what happened and I'm curious if this has happened Ed to anyone.

On 2/27 & 2/28, I was prescribed 250mg penicillamine - directions were 2 pills, 4 times a day for 2 days - collect urine on day 2 for toxic metals test.

I noticed on day 2 a rash that started in both arms, on my wrists near my thumbs. It was pink, and splotchy like hives, but not bumpy or itchy. It was aggravated by heat- baths and showers were making it flare up. I was taking a bath every 2-3 days bc I needed to detox. It got better a few days later - one full week later, I took another bath, this time I added Rosemary essential oil. I sweated a lot, woke up next day sweating - and rash was red and aggravated & itchy as heck!!!!

So I call the llmd- I think I could hear him shrug his shoulders... Told me to get Zyrtec for a couple of days and see how it is in a few days...

It's less itchy today but keeps flaring up getting red then calming back down. It's also spread since last week...

If it was a reaction to food or even meds I would think I would have a rash all over.

Anyone ever have an experience like this? In not sure what's going on - I started biaxin on 2/17 - is it possibly a delayed reaction to biaxin? I've also noticed my nerve pain and sciatica has increased since switching over to macrolide abx.

Wondering about this rash just might drive me crazy!!


I had the same issue originally when I started doxycycline and now I am transitioned to Samento and ENula, I got this rash again on both of my wrists and it flares up and then calms down... I believe it is a part of herxing..... It is better out than IN :-)

Post Edited (Planny) : 3/18/2016 11:51:15 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/18/2016 4:35 PM (GMT 0)
Good point Planny!!

cD - forgot to mention I do alkaseltezer gold with tri fortify orange almost every day & 250 mg milk thistle with meals (3x a day) I feel like there is more detoxing I could do but there aren't enough hours in the day! It's turning into a full time job!

We are going on vacation in 2 weeks I'm so worried about so many things including my detox abilities that week... Idk if I want to take a bath in a yucky hotel tub! Or clean a hotel bath for that matter... Road trip, multi destination.. Maybe I better post a new thread about that ha!
Posted 3/24/2016 10:19 AM (GMT 0)
Update! Saw LLMD yesterday - after explaining the rash & showing him pictures he has determined that I am dealing with a toxin overload right now - my detox pathways are blocked. He thinks it's bartonella "screaming out". He also thinks that bc of the detox issue my body just can't handle ABX right now.

New protocol- stop Biaxin XL, switch to a-Bart & get help from a naturopath for detox issues. Find root of detox issues - then we can move on from there.

I'm STILL waiting on test results for toxic metals etc - going to pick up test results tomorrow bc my appointment got pushed back 2 weeks... I'll post any findings here if they seem relevant!
Posted 3/24/2016 12:02 PM (GMT 0)
I'm glad your LLMD recognized your situation for what it is. Detoxing will help immensely.

For whatever it's worth, I jokingly refer to myself as the lazy, tubless detoxer. All of the stuff I do for detoxing takes hardly any time - most of it involves supplements and maybe a 3-4 minute addition to my showering time.

Heck, I can get 4 detoxing methods done in one shot when I drink my daily Green Vibrance and add magnesium malate, MSM and apple cider vinegar.

Here's a link to a recent thread wherein I listed what I do for detoxing....and others shared what they do:

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3602759

I hope you have instructions to start A-Bart s-l-o-w-l-y. As in 1 drop per day for a few days. Based upon what has been posted here, the Byron White products are VERY strong and people herx on tiny doses. Please take your time increasing and do report back no matter what.

Good luck!!
Posted 3/27/2016 2:30 PM (GMT 0)
Hi CD thanks for the link to that thread - it was a great thread to start! I appreciate everyone's suggestions! (can we put a link to that thread in the "New to Lyme" thread? its really helpful!!)

Can you please let me know if theres anything else "simple" i could start doing while waiting on my 23andme results to help with detox? Ive heard good things about Burbur, but I dont think my dr wants me to add too many variables while we see how I react to the A-Bart.

my daily detox is as follows- I feel like I've really stepped up my game but im just hitting a brick wall and not going anywhere..

2 tsp. Apple Cider vinegar in warm water with lemon
Drinking between 80-128 oz. H20 daily with fresh lemon or high quality lemon essential oils in some(I weigh 118 lbs)
Coconut Oil pulling
Lemon Water or Lemon Essential Oil in Water
Dry brush before shower & bath
Just starting to do cold rinse at the end of baths - cant do it after showers bc of time constraints in the AM
~2 cups of ginger tea daily
Alka-Seltzer Gold & Trifortify orange almost daily
250mg x 3 Milk Thistle
Yogi Brand Detox Tea, Roasted Dandelion Tea, Every Day Lemon Detox tea - several a day
Activated charcoal - this is NEW as of february and I was going it for about a week at a time, then a few days break - I was noticing constipation even though I am drinking a LOT of water with it and daily.
Epsom Salt and Peroxide or baking soda - footbaths & full baths with Essential Oils
Raw Fermented Foods: Sauerkraut, Kombucha
1000mg curcumin & black pepper 2x a day (just added 2 weeks ago)
My diet is extremely strict Paleo, minimal fruit and minimal brown rice (i need the carbs to keep on weight - lost 50 pounds before being diagnosed).

Saw a you tube video from a ND in Maryland about how to make garlic footies to help with brain fog - I've thought about trying it, but have yet to do it!
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