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Posted 4/4/2016 1:01 AM (GMT 0)
Question for the board. Started the full Buhner Bart protocol about a week ago. I've had heart palpitations for a while but they seem to be worse while on the protocol. Has anyone had experience taking a particular herb and getting heart palpitations? My situation is complicated because it could be from the Rifampin, Bart or one or more of the herbs. I might start scaling back some of them to see if it has effect but unsure which. For reference here are the ones I'm on. Thanks.

Japanese knotweed
Cordyceps
Sida Acuta
Hawthorn
Rhodiola
Ashwagandha
Isatis
Houttuynia
Alchornea
Posted 4/4/2016 2:59 AM (GMT 0)
Try cutting back on the Sida Acuta. It made me feel like I had a butterfly in my heart. I have not heard of anyone else saying this so I always thought it was just me. But you could try that one.

I do not think it is Japanese knotweed, cordyceps, hawthorn or houttuynia. I take all of those and have absolutely no problem from them.
Posted 4/4/2016 4:53 AM (GMT 0)
Rikky-Heart Palps seem to increase when herxing from a Bart protocol. What many of us have found is the palps are actually a slowing of your heart rate not an increase which is a little less scary. Up your detox or pull back a bit.
Posted 4/4/2016 9:36 AM (GMT 0)
I had same issue that resolved promptly after hawtorn removal.
Posted 4/4/2016 3:02 PM (GMT 0)
thanks everyone. i dropped the whole protocol down to 10 drops 3x/day and it seems to of gotten better. i'm going to ramp slowly over time which i should've done to begin with but wanted to bring out the anvil and see what happened ;)

jrpsf the heart palpitations are definitely low blood pressure as i've measured it many times and noticed it. unfortunately detoxing doesn't have much of an impact on me though i still do it as much as i can. what i don't quite understand, is your blood flow truly slowing down so your heart has to beat faster to get up to speed or are the bugs tricking your body into lowering itself?

my heart palps have been going on for months. they really ramped up when i started rifampin/cipro. i'm off cipro (nasty drug) then went to biaxin now on doxy. the frequency/cycles almost seem like flare-ups at this point and not herxes cause its been going on so long. do they ever end?
Posted 4/4/2016 3:16 PM (GMT 0)
Rikky1

As an almost 10-yr thyroid patient that had to educate herself to get the proper care, I can't help but wonder about your thyroid levels.

I know you've said they were "fine" but, that's what I heard from thyroid-clueless doctors when I was dealing with hypothyroidism.

There are an estimated 30 million Americans walking around with undiagnosed hypothyroidism and I have no doubt that a large percentage of those diagnosed are not properly treated.

Lyme is known to mess with thyroid function. An out-of-whack thyroid can cause palps.

I will gladly show you how to interpret your thyroid labs. Who knows? Even if your thyroid is truly fine now, the information might prove useful for you in the future.

Hopefully, you've had your Free T4 and Free T3 levels checked - they are the only ones that matter when evaluating thyroid function. They often look like this on a lab report:

Free T4: T4 or thyroxine, free, direct
Free T3: tri-iodothyronine, free, serum
Posted 4/4/2016 3:25 PM (GMT 0)
thanks cd i'm always open to advice let me see what bloodwork i have and if nothing on free T3/T4 talk to my doctor about it.
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