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Posted 9/14/2015 9:09 PM (GMT 0)
I had my LLND appt and she suggested I start with BW A-Babs because she wants to treat Babesia. I did the Igenex test for microti and duncani, scored negative on microti and positive on duncani (IgG 80).

I asked about the various herbal protocols. She wasn't crazy about Buhner, said Cowden is good but requires a very strict schedule and highly recommended Byron White. She really wants to get at the Babesia due to my high score which is rare.

I'm worried about the herxing as this tincture can be very powerful. She suggested eliminating sugar and dairy as they are major inflammatories, but said if I can't do gluten, it's fine. Lemon water, Epsom salt baths and sauna for detox, the last of which I can't do because of my heat intolerance.

I walked out with a bottle of A-Babs. Wanting to give it a go but am scared at the same time. I'm a wimp *sigh*
Posted 9/14/2015 11:30 PM (GMT 0)
When you start the A-Babs - make sure you start low and go slow (sorry to preach).

Did your ND advise you to start low?
Posted 9/14/2015 11:42 PM (GMT 0)
Girlie, she said to start with 2 drops 2x daily and increase by 2 drops every 2 days until I hit 20 drops.

No discussion on binders or any other type of support but did state to continue with the supplements I am taking (the usuals: vit D, iron, b12)

Any other suggestions?
Posted 9/14/2015 11:53 PM (GMT 0)
Hi sunfun123,

I am on A-Bab and have been on it for a few months.  The increase your doc suggests seems a bit too fast, IMO.  I do have methylation problems so I took my time to get up to 15 drops...at least 3 months.  I would only increase 1 drop at a time to see how you do.  You will be OK.

Patty

Posted 9/15/2015 2:12 AM (GMT 0)
Sunfun, I agree that seems very fast. I guess it depends on the level of your infection... If you do not have a terrible case you could perhaps increase that fast... But when I was increasing on a-bab I went up one drop MAYBE every 2 weeks. It took that long to stabilize at all. I am now up to 20 drops (of a-bab, a-bart, a-l) but that took me a couple years. I have since found out I have methylation problems as well which could definitely have been a contributing factor.

I belive in the Byron Whites and think it's great you're going to do a-bab, but no reason to NOT start conservatively, right? How about 1 drop, 1/day and feel it out?
Posted 9/15/2015 12:13 PM (GMT 0)
Sunfun I have babesia duncani as well and my LLMD also has me on A-BAB for 3+ months now as well as Tindamax which is effective against Babesia. My symptoms aren't terrible so I started on 15 drops 2x/day and did experience a bit herxing in the beginning but have been fine.

Depending on the severity of your symptoms believe to be related to Babesia you should start slow like others said. If it were me I'd start with 2 drops 2x/day if that's ok go to 5 then 10 then 15.

Babesia duncani is a nasty, fairly resistant strain much more so than microti so don't be discouraged if you don't make big strides shortly. It could take a few months (once again depending on symptom severity) to feel like you're making some solid gains. It has for me.
Posted 9/15/2015 2:05 PM (GMT 0)
I'm on A-Bab, and I started with 1 drop twice per day and increased by one drop every 2 - 3 days. I had been on Beyond Balance drops for babesia before I switched to A-Bab, so I didn't expect to herx much. I definitely noticed symptoms with one drop. It made me cranky and gassy. The first several times I added a drop, the symptoms came back. I'm up to 20 now and don't have any symptoms.

Start slow and see how you react. If you feel fine, you can always increase more.
Posted 9/15/2015 3:33 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks all for the replies! I too feel she is moving too fast with the dosage. I firmly believe to start slow in order to gauge any reactions and adjust accordingly. She mentioned it will cause bad herxes and the last thing I need is to deal with something severe because of starting off too fast. I'm already so frazzled about starting it because it's very strong.

My symptoms are quite mild except increased weakness over the last few weeks which has resulted in a lot more bedrest.

Marigold, I think I will start extremely slow with 1 drop per day and bump it up from there. That's what my gut is telling me.

Do I need any more support? The ND said I could take grapefruit seed extract but I've read lots of negative things about it.
Posted 9/16/2015 9:25 PM (GMT 0)
Bump.

Looking for input on anything else I should add to my regimen. Something to reduce the herxing? I will only be taking the A-Bab and my daily supplements, no abx or anything else.

How about liver support? Detox agents? I don't know, I'm so confused and just want to make sure my body is being supported well while I start this protocol.

My LLND didn't give any info except how to take the tincture. I had to ask about diet, other protocols, side effects, herxing.
Posted 4/5/2016 5:44 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Sunfun,

Just wondering if you started your BW protocol and how it is going?

My DC wants me to start Detox 1, A-L Complex and Detox 2. 1/2 drop, 3 days apart, in that order.

I am most concerned about Babesia because of the air hunger and effects on my heart and am wondering if I should start with A-Bab first.

I am scared and feel this may not be the right combo for me to start.

When I voiced this, my DC said she always starts her Lyme patients on A-L Complex, which didn't do anything to alleviate my fears, since we're not all the same and these critters have really done a number on my heart thus far.

I can really relate to what you were going through and am wondering how it has gone for you.
Posted 4/5/2016 12:34 PM (GMT 0)

rollergirl said...
Hi Sunfun,

Just wondering if you started your BW protocol and how it is going?

My DC wants me to start Detox 1, A-L Complex and Detox 2. 1/2 drop, 3 days apart, in that order.

I am most concerned about Babesia because of the air hunger and effects on my heart and am wondering if I should start with A-Bab first.

I am scared and feel this may not be the right combo for me to start.

When I voiced this, my DC said she always starts her Lyme patients on A-L Complex, which didn't do anything to alleviate my fears, since we're not all the same and these critters have really done a number on my heart thus far.

I can really relate to what you were going through and am wondering how it has gone for you.

Welcome rollergirl!

Sorry for the reason you're here but glad you found us.

I think your doctor has a good plan for your - especially with the detox tinctures. Everyone benefits from detoxing since Americans are exposed to over 300 chemicals daily.

For those of us dealing with these infections, detoxing is crucial.

You see, all the while we've been sick, the bugs have been going through their life cycles which includes death. Well, besides the toxins the bugs release as part of their normal activities, a flood of toxins is released when they die.

We need to clear the pathways of elimination...otherwise, those toxins get reabsorbed and cause more symptoms.

The site I'm linking below explains why we need to detox and provides quite the comprehensive list of detoxing suggestions:

www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html

If you had a tick bite, I'd say Lyme is likely and it certainly wouldn't hurt to start with the A-L Complex as well.

Please understand that Babesia parasites are MUCH larger than Lyme bacteria. This means bigger dead bug parts as a result of treatment....which means the potential for bigger herxes.

It makes a lot of sense IMHO to ease the patient into treatment. Dealing with these infections isn't like taking aspirin for a headache. It's a process that can take many months.

I hope you'll start your own thread so you can get a proper welcome ;)

Best wishes for healing!!
Posted 4/5/2016 12:36 PM (GMT 0)

Meerkatoriginal24 said...
Hello everyone my name is Mike I'm 20 years old I may have lyme Diease but got Q fever from recent blood tests I'm here to tell everyone that I do YouTube video's of me using the rife machine daily look me up my story may be able to help you and you can see how my brother was basically healed from using this machine but it's my turn and I'm documenting everything.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXNwiwSdkZ7mNTfIC9TYn6g

Welcome to our community, Mike!

So sorry to hear about Q fever in addition to a possible Lyme diagnosis! Are you seeing a LLMD? If you need help finding one, please let us know.

While I appreciate your willingness to share your rife journey, I caution you about the identifying information on the YouTube link you provided.

Are you considering a detoxing protocol? It will surely help with your rife treatments.

And, just as I mentioned to rollergirl, I invite you to create your own thread so you can get a proper welcome :)

No matter what, best of luck to you moving forward!
Posted 4/5/2016 1:48 PM (GMT 0)
I would go very slow with the A-Bab, I tried it and could not get past 1 drop 2Xday after 3 months and the herx reactions actually seemed to be getting worse until I stopped. My new LLMD told me to stop taking it as it is apparently way to strong for me.

As for detoxing, lots and lots of water with lemon juice or pure cranberry juice, epson salt baths, infrared sauna(my personal preference), no-gluten, no alcohol, limited dairy, sugar and carbs.

Alka Seltzer Gold and Burbur/Pinella help with my herxes.
Posted 4/5/2016 3:34 PM (GMT 0)
Hey Sunfun, I have been on A-BAB and A-BART for over two years now - just recently I ran out of these two and thought I could go on without them, well, I was wrong, when the three month ( without them ) hit, all the old symptoms flooded back. I just restarted - because I'd been on it for a long while, but then without for 3 months I was apprehensive about restarting at my 15 drops twice daily dosage, so I decided to start at 2 drops twice daily and was increasing 2 drops every two days - as I was doing that I herxed at 7 drops twice daily and was on that seven drops for about a good week and a half, but only taking it ONCE daily. Today, did the 7 drops again and am going to try to take it twice a day to see how I feel. Your body will tell you how fast or how slow you should go - it's an individual kind of thing. I also took AL complex and LLND decided to take me off it after two years, but to continue with the A-BAB and A-Bart. As soon as I hit the 15 drops twice/day of both products I am supposed to incorporate the other BW detoxing products ( Detox 1/ Detox 2 / NT-Detox and BT-Detox ) of course at different intervals. It should take about 3 months after I start incorporating the detoxing agents to complete this course of action. I am excited as I really love BW products. They are potent enough for me and they work for me because when I am off them I notice a huge difference. Two years ago when I started with BW products I was told to also add the grapefruit seed extract, but my gut hurt every time, so I stopped taking it. I am thinking of trying stevia - organic whole leaf - instead as that seed extract replacement, to bust Lyme biofilm and Lyme cysts. Don't know if it will work for me, but Dr. Sapi's info. on it really peaked my interest. If you don't try, you won't know, right? Sorry for the long post.
Posted 4/5/2016 5:15 PM (GMT 0)
I've been on A-Babs since last June and I only take 5 drops twice a day. He never said for me to go up to 20? Should I be?

But to the op, I did go slowly, just increasing by one drop a day and had no problems with it.
Posted 4/5/2016 5:49 PM (GMT 0)
Rollergirl: hello! I'm sorry but I cannot provide any updates on ABab because I haven't taken it since October. In fact I had to take a break from treating due to various reasons. I will say that I was quite sensitive to ABab and after taking 1/2 a drop (one drop in water an drinking 1/2 the mixture), I herxed pretty badly on the third day. I felt nauseous on the first day I started! And the nausea got pretty bad on the third day. I was given Detox 2 but I didn't take it until recently. Tried a little bit in juice, oh boy it's vile but I got it down. I'm noticing that I am very sensitive to a lot of supplements and also to herbs so that's why I tried Detox 2, literally a pinch of it in juice and hope to increase so that I can take the recommended 1/8 tsp. I bought empty capsules to take it in so I don't have to taste it in liquid.

So I'm sorry I'm of no help to you. I understand your worries and quite frankly I'm scared to go back on it. I will say that you should treat co infections first as they can be harder to get rid of. So maybe take ABab first as Babesia is hard to eliminate. I also spoke to Igenex and they said my LLND is doing the right thing by treating Babesia first before Lyme.

Best of luck and do provide and update on how things go!
Posted 4/5/2016 6:09 PM (GMT 0)
Need help. Wow so great you've seen improvements! Gosh 2 years is a long time though! But we do what we can to get better! Best of luck in your continued quest to full healing. These herbs really do pack a big punch!
Posted 4/5/2016 7:33 PM (GMT 0)
Sunfun - thank you - they DO pack a punch and that's exactly what I wish I could do to all of them in my body. I am so darn sick of this cunning bacteria.
TillyBear - I recall reading in some doc's article a long time ago that the recommended dosage is to start with 1-5 drops twice daily and to gradually increase or decrease as tolerated - your body should let you know. The "target dose" is 15 drops twice a day and the "challenge" dose is 20 drops twice daily. Hope that helps.
Posted 4/6/2016 1:01 AM (GMT 0)
Hmmm, thanks. I'll have to ask my doc about why I'm at 5 drops 2x/d.
Posted 4/6/2016 4:01 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah, you really should T.Bear because if you feel just fine with that dose then it really is time to bump it up some, for sure. You really want to aim for the "target" dose for sure.
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