Malerone

Are you detoxing?

I bet you knew that would be my question.

It sounds like a herx.

Are you able to ease up on the med with a smaller dose?

I hate being ill with lyme and feeling like I might be sick with something else.

Frustrating.

Hi Echo -

Sorry you're experiencing a set back. It's great that you got started on the Malerone - waiting for my MD to start me on it. I've also heard it is a tough ride. You're brave. ;)

My guess is you might have experienced what happens to me very frequently, when starting a new med or herb, it hits the infection and you have some relief but with toxin build up of what you're killing, you might not be detoxing well. So you get a buildup of toxins. The buildup of toxins not only exacerbates current symptoms but it also creates more symptoms and can overwhelm your immune system. Welcome flu!

Women experience quite a few hormonal changes during our periods, which are actually a detoxing process so that could have added to the buildup. And the BVT is antimicrobial, adding more toxins.

But the cold sore is a dead giveaway that your viral load surged. With all the toxins, the immune system gets overwhelmed and other ailments gain a foothold pretty easily--for me it's ALWAYS a high viral load. My LLMD thankfully didn't start me on lyme & co treatment until I got my viral load under control. After testing it out a few times, I now know that I have to maintain a certain level of antiviral in my system to keep the viruses under control.

You might want to start on an antiviral Rx (I have used several) or you might have luck with herbals like Beyond Balance IMN-V-II. There are several others.

But you also need to increase detox. We have to detox what we're killing at the same rate as we're killing it or the body gets overloaded. One of the reasons many of us are struggle w/ lyme & co is that we really need to support our detoxing functions - we can't do it naturally as well as we need to be (genetics are a big reason). You might share what you're currently doing or do a search for ideas - we talk about it very frequently here.

Hope this is helpful - if not keep asking q's!

-p

Post Edited (Pirouette) : 5/23/2016 3:57:18 PM (GMT-6)

I know others here are on Buhner's so I'll let them speak to that.

Baths are great:

- do the baths maybe every other day at first - work up to daily

- start out with just foot soaks, or do baths with a little water (like cover only part way up your legs if you sit with your legs outstretched.)

- use almost warm water to start with - anything too warm will be too much at first

- the long-term goal is daily full-body hot baths with a cocktail of sea salt, epsom salt, hydrogen peroxide, aromatherapy oils. So until you're ready for all that, start with one ingredient at a small dose (like 1 tsp), then if you don't have reactions (like herxing) add another ingredient (1 tsp), etc. If you do have reactions stay at that level of doses until they are gone... then continue increasing... other thing you can do to intensify are increasing water volume, temp and frequency.

The posters here do some great detoxing - do a search or post a new thread asking them to share.

Other detox remedies I use:
Alka Seltzer Gold for detox
Pinella and/or Bur bur tinctures for brain detox
milk thistle seed/burdock root for liver support
red root tincture for lymph support
parsley tincture for something...
dry brushing (before baths)
Japanese knotweed (inflammation)
binder to help detox gut (I use pure cholestyramine with a bentonite clay chaser)
L-5 MTHF (for methylation support)
sweating (exercise or sauna)

-p

Thanks so much i will start with the foot soak and work my way up.

I was wondering about the Burhner protocol because it has so much Japanese knotweed in it thought it may help

echo - I take several of Buhner herbs alongside my pharma treatment. I call it my 'back-up'

- Japanese knotweed, hawthorn, kudzu, greater celandine, crytolepis, sida acuta, csa.

(there might be a couple others)