Flagyl

I just started Flagyl yesterday. I was hoping to take it in conjunction with mino but I'm using doxy. It helped my brain clear up within the first hour of initial dose. They gave me 500 mg three times a day, but that seems like a bit much! I have similar questions as you, which I will be posting in a separate feed in a moment. Look for my question and join in!

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2beblessed, I'm kind of excited that you said your head cleared up. I have only taken flagyl a few times, because I purchased mine from India, but I did notice the couple times that I took it, that it cleared up my head. I get this feeling like my brain is swelling. It's like this enormous pressure feeling in my head. (It gets infinitely worse with stress.) That was the reason I asked about flagyl, to see if maybe someone else experienced a lessening of brain pressure when they took it.

I looked up flagyl on wikipedia, and it said something about it being a cancer causing agent which is a little concerning.

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Mutagenesis and carcinogenesis

Metronidazole is listed by the US National Toxicology Program (NTP) as reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen.[20] Although some of the testing methods have been questioned, oral exposure has been shown to cause cancer in experimental animals and has also demonstrated some mutagenic effects in bacterial cultures.[20][21] The relationship between exposure to metronidazole and human cancer is unclear.[20][22] One study [23][full citation needed] found an excess in lung cancer among women (even after adjusting for smoking), while other studies [24][full citation needed] found either no increased risk, or a statistically insignificant risk.[20] [25] Metronidazole is listed as a possible carcinogen according to the WHO International Agency for Research on Cancer.[26] A study in those with Crohn's disease also found chromosomal abnormalities in circulating lymphocytes in people treated with metronidazole.[21]

Due to its potential carcinogenic properties, metronidazole is banned in the European Union and the United States for veterinary use in the feed of animals and is banned for use in any food animals in the USA.[27][28]

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I may start taking the Flagyl from India for a week and see if I have any benefits from it. It's a little sketchy taken something that was produced in India, although I've also read that that's where all of our legit pharma drugs come from anyway, so who knows.

I finally got Flagyl March 21 500mg3x daily but it took me a month to get some chartabs for herxing.
I thought the dosage was too much too, so I started with 1 once a day with no ill effects but my headaches went away and fever dropped. I upped it a week later to twice a day and things started to go wrong, like I felt so bad I didn't want to see anyone, and the herxes really got me down. I had trouble juggling the time to take the chartabs and made my heart failure worse, and I swelled like a balloon because the charcoal was wiping out my blood pressure and heart failure medication, out of my system. It had another side affect that I wasn't aware of until later.

I felt under pressure to stop taking it because my daughter resented that I didn't want them over.
When I stopped taking it (I probably took half the 'script) I felt an immense calmness settle over me. But then the fevers and headaches came back so I started again. And then I had a rage episode. I realized that my meltdowns previously were from herxing on the abx. That was the side affect that I didn't know weren't normal for me the weeks before.

I stopped the flagyl once again and the calmness came back. I'm afraid to touch it again, I'm afraid I might hurt something, someone, or myself.
Herxes aren't the same for everyone, and I don't blame the flagyl, I blame the fact that the die off was toxifying my brain and I had inadequate ways of detoxing.

I need something though, my symptoms are in resurgence in every part of my body.

Post Edited (julymorning) : 6/24/2016 8:52:40 PM (GMT-6)

Is Artemisia the same as Flagyl?
Do you know which other abx could affect cysts?

Plaquenil is tough. Some studies show it kills Lyme cysts, others show it promotes them.

Okay, so I'm going to exercise the proper forum etiquette bump this thread instead of creating a new one.

I'm about to start taking Flagyl, 3 days a week (M,W,F) along with doxy.

And boy oh boy is this thread the typical lyme thread.

1. "it works"
2. "it doesn't work"
3. "it causes cancer!"

Geez, all I'm trying to do is get well and heal from lyme and co and it's always so confusing and contradictory.

There's the abx crowd, the herb crowd, the both crowd, etc.

I'm trying to cover all my basis and do both, to be able to say I gave it my all and exhausted all options.

I'm going to take Buhner protocol(s), doxy, and flagyl. Is this bad (outside of just really bad herxes)?

What are people's updated experiences with taking flagyl?

Thanks.

Girlie said...
You will need to cover Bart and/or Babs with Buhner then.

I've notice that people often assume other co-infections. I'm positive for Borrelia, Myco, Ehrlichia but not Bart or Babs (Igenex).

So do I and all people with lyme assume they just have all co-infections and treat them all? Do I treat for RMSF, anaplasma, and Chlamydia Pneumonia too?

A real question, not being sarcastic.

Should we treat the possibility of having something or the things we know we have. Because then where does it end?

Girlie said...

dacarte3 said...

Girlie said...
You will need to cover Bart and/or Babs with Buhner then.

I've notice that people often assume other co-infections. I'm positive for Borrelia, Myco, Ehrlichia but not Bart or Babs (Igenex).

So do I and all people with lyme assume they just have all co-infections and treat them all? Do I treat for RMSF, anaplasma, and Chlamydia Pneumonia too?

A real question, not being sarcastic.

Should we treat the possibility of having something or the things we know we have. Because then where does it end?

Well, Dr. J and I think Dr. H as well do assume you have the three B's and don't waste any time.
Look at me - lyme and bart only...then no further improvement...I'm now treating Babesia to see what that does. I would have rather done it a year ago.

With antibiotics, the Myco, anaplasmosis, and Ehrlichia are taken care of when treating the three B's generally.
I'm not sure of the CpN though.

Well, you can continue to just treat one infection...but at some point you might want to treat the others'.
If you're not fully well after a year on lyme treatment alone...then I'd certainly look into the other two B's.

FYI - my Bart and Babs treatment includes lyme treatment...so really nothing to lose starting the other B's treatment sooner. Rifampin can be hard on the liver...so some people don't want to take it unless they know for sure they have bartonella. BUT, untreated Bart can also be hard on the our body - including the heart.
I choose to treat all three.

Ok so what I'll start doing is stay on abx, incorporate Bart and bab herbs, many of which cross over.

I'm about to start flagyl. It says twice a day but doesn't say how far apart.

How far apart have others taken their flagyl?

Also there's a lot of warnings about alcohol. But herb tinctures have alcohol in them.

dacarte3 said...
Also, do I take both doxy and flagyl at the same time? Spread them apart?

My doctor has me take Flagyl only 2 days out of a month. And then I'm off of all abx for over a week. Flagyl is supposed to be pretty heavy duty. I herxed pretty bad when I took it. But I also took it along with Mino and Zithromax.

dacarte3 said...

Girlie said...

dacarte3 said...

Girlie said...
You will need to cover Bart and/or Babs with Buhner then.

I've notice that people often assume other co-infections. I'm positive for Borrelia, Myco, Ehrlichia but not Bart or Babs (Igenex).

So do I and all people with lyme assume they just have all co-infections and treat them all? Do I treat for RMSF, anaplasma, and Chlamydia Pneumonia too?

A real question, not being sarcastic.

Should we treat the possibility of having something or the things we know we have. Because then where does it end?

Well, Dr. J and I think Dr. H as well do assume you have the three B's and don't waste any time.
Look at me - lyme and bart only...then no further improvement...I'm now treating Babesia to see what that does. I would have rather done it a year ago.

With antibiotics, the Myco, anaplasmosis, and Ehrlichia are taken care of when treating the three B's generally.
I'm not sure of the CpN though.

Well, you can continue to just treat one infection...but at some point you might want to treat the others'.
If you're not fully well after a year on lyme treatment alone...then I'd certainly look into the other two B's.

FYI - my Bart and Babs treatment includes lyme treatment...so really nothing to lose starting the other B's treatment sooner. Rifampin can be hard on the liver...so some people don't want to take it unless they know for sure they have bartonella. BUT, untreated Bart can also be hard on the our body - including the heart.
I choose to treat all three.

Ok so what I'll start doing is stay on abx, incorporate Bart and bab herbs, many of which cross over.

I'm about to start flagyl. It says twice a day but doesn't say how far apart.

How far apart have others taken their flagyl?

Also there's a lot of warnings about alcohol. But herb tinctures have alcohol in them.

I take all my antibiotics before breakfast and before dinner. Ideally, I guess would be 12 hours apart.
Mine are more like 9 or 10 hours apart.

Hoagie said...

dacarte3 said...
Also, do I take both doxy and flagyl at the same time? Spread them apart?

My doctor has me take Flagyl only 2 days out of a month. And then I'm off of all abx for over a week. Flagyl is supposed to be pretty heavy duty. I herxed pretty bad when I took it. But I also took it along with Mino and Zithromax.

Are you seeing Dr. J?

(I recognize the protocol)