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Posted 7/2/2016 10:49 PM (GMT 0)
Had my usual handful of mixed nuts snack and pills and an hour later I feel like crap.

Started with nausea and a headache. Then came tinnitus and my skin has a weird chill like feeling without goosebumps. Slowly all the symptoms are ramping up.

I know the nuts must have started this, but I've been eating them for years. My food item list is very short because of being diabetic and gut healing.

What is going on?
Posted 7/2/2016 10:59 PM (GMT 0)
I am not an expert, but I know that nuts can have mold. Maybe these nuts were not so fresh and their mold triggered your symptoms?
Posted 7/2/2016 10:59 PM (GMT 0)
Joy,

It almost sounds like a herx. Are you taking any new pills or detoxing with anything different?

Otherwise was it a new purchase with the mixed nuts. The reason I ask is I wonder if they have used any insecticides or preservatives or anything that is toxic.

I know that many can no longer eat peanuts with Lyme. I am not sure if this would be an issue. I don't eat nuts so can't relate.

Others will be along and put in there 2 bits too. Maybe someone has a similar experience.
Posted 7/2/2016 11:02 PM (GMT 0)
Oh my! Boyd do you know if you have an overgrowth of yeast? Often people with Lyme can have a yeast overgrowth and are sometimes unaware. The problem is that some nuts harbor mold and can make your symptoms much worse. What was in your nuts mixture?
Posted 7/2/2016 11:04 PM (GMT 0)
Cashews, peanuts, and pistachios are your high offenders.
Posted 7/2/2016 11:14 PM (GMT 0)
It seems really quick for it to be the cause. (not saying it can't be the cause...but maybe it's something else?)

Is there anything else you did earlier in the day that could have resulted in a here?

Any new meds in the past few weeks?
Posted 7/2/2016 11:24 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
It seems really quick for it to be the cause. (not saying it can't be the cause...but maybe it's something else?)

Is there anything else you did earlier in the day that could have resulted in a here?

Any new meds in the past few weeks?

Girlie did you mean quick for a herx?

Well here is my recent experience. If you are having a reaction to something that your body is seriously rejecting, it can be an immediate physical reaction. Since I've been dealing with the critters, I cannot have anything with the least amount of msg. Never had any problems before. Well I decided to have some seafood salad the other day (knowing that some of the additives had msg). Oh my goodness....within 5 minutes, I literally began to get dizzy and felt really nervous inside. I drank water (trying to flush), put the salad to the side, and it resolved itself within about 30 minutes or so. I could not believe it! But now I know, I'm still not ready. I literally only had possibly a tbsp amount. Seafood alone OK. But the seasonings, NOT (lol).
Posted 7/2/2016 11:27 PM (GMT 0)
I did just learn that nuts are contraindicated for mycoplasma...
Posted 7/2/2016 11:45 PM (GMT 0)

Krimpet said...

Girlie said...
It seems really quick for it to be the cause. (not saying it can't be the cause...but maybe it's something else?)

Is there anything else you did earlier in the day that could have resulted in a here?

Any new meds in the past few weeks?

Girlie did you mean quick for a herx?

Well here is my recent experience. If you are having a reaction to something that your body is seriously rejecting, it can be an immediate physical reaction. Since I've been dealing with the critters, I cannot have anything with the least amount of msg. Never had any problems before. Well I decided to have some seafood salad the other day (knowing that some of the additives had msg). Oh my goodness....within 5 minutes, I literally began to get dizzy and felt really nervous inside. I drank water (trying to flush), put the salad to the side, and it resolved itself within about 30 minutes or so. I could not believe it! But now I know, I'm still not ready. I literally only had possibly a tbsp amount. Seafood alone OK. But the seasonings, NOT (lol).

Yes, typo - I meant herx. I was wondering if maybe he had changed meds recently...or if something he did earlier in the day...
....Yes - you're right if you have sensitivities or allergies to food - immediate reactions often happen...
it's also possible that he has developed a sensitivity to the nuts.

He would know if it happens again...but he probably doesn't want a repeat event...
Posted 7/2/2016 11:53 PM (GMT 0)
Hope it has settled down for you, Boyd. (whether it was mold, herx, yeast, or mycoplasma)


Whatever it was - I think doing some extra detoxing might be in order.
Posted 7/2/2016 11:55 PM (GMT 0)
Peanuts are one of the "dirtiest" foods you can eat.....from the fact they are GM, to the heavy pesticides they use in growing to the high amount of molds in them and the fact that they are far from fresh by the time you consume them. You may want to skip them. I get incredible pain in my lungs and mid-back if I eat non-organic peanuts, and still have similar issues with chills like you do if I eat the organic kind, too. I rarely eat them but if I do, I make sure they are organic and don't let them sit around for more than a week or so after I purchase the item.

Jenny
Posted 7/3/2016 12:14 AM (GMT 0)

jennysetter said...
Peanuts are one of the "dirtiest" foods you can eat.....from the fact they are GM, to the heavy pesticides they use in growing to the high amount of molds in them and the fact that they are far from fresh by the time you consume them. You may want to skip them. I get incredible pain in my lungs and mid-back if I eat non-organic peanuts, and still have similar issues with chills like you do if I eat the organic kind, too. I rarely eat them but if I do, I make sure they are organic and don't let them sit around for more than a week or so after I purchase the item.

Jenny

I switched to organic peanut butter (even though you stated peanuts) too, and like you I don't consume it much at all. In fact, it's probably been 5-6 months since I've had any. I just wanted to acknowledge the "peanut (butter)" because before all of this, I absolutely adored peanut butter. Skippy, JIF... you name it. I could eat it everyday. Oh well, those days are forever behind me 😊
Posted 7/3/2016 12:26 AM (GMT 0)
I switched to organic almond butter because of the peanut butter mold and being genetically modified.
Posted 7/3/2016 12:34 AM (GMT 0)

PeteZa said...
I switched to organic almond butter because of the peanut butter mold and being genetically modified.

Yes, I have this one too. I also buy the almond milk.
Posted 7/3/2016 1:38 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks ya'll for your input! I'm learning every day.

BlueBerryMuffin, nuts are off the menu now. Just have to figure something else for a snack before pills. Hubby will eat the rest of my nut stash, I'm sure.

*****

Denikeef, funny you should ask about pills. Finished off my Nystatin and Neomycin for c-diff and yeast a couple a days ago. Still on S-Boulardii though. Body is telling me something.

So now I know what a herx feels like. Not going to get so shocked next time it happens.

*****

Krimpet, the mix is macadamia nuts, pecans and cashews. Don't eat peanuts because of Hashimoto's so I'm safe there.

*****

Girlie, my life is very regimented. Between having to take pills at specific times of the day (Hashi and adrenal insufficiency) along with specific food to eat or not to eat, (diabetes, hashi and gut issues) guess you could call me the most boring person in the world. LOL

For something to happen differently all the sudden was unnerving. I'm living and learning.

Body has calmed down except for the skin tingling. It feels the same as when I do skin brushing. Maybe I'm detoxing as I type?

*****

Jenny, thanks for another reason not to eat peanuts. Did you know that soy is GM too? If I ingest soy, it's 24 hours of feeling like doodo. Soy is in so many processed food items and I have to be careful.

*****

The moral of this story is I have to figure out another 4pm snack. Going into creative overdrive. scool
Posted 7/3/2016 2:23 PM (GMT 0)
Boyd glad you are on the mend. Sometimes we just don't know how these "bodies" are going to react to foods that we've eaten all our lives. Once healing has occurred, some we can return to and others are forever off the list.

I would just love a slice of pizza again. We'll see. I may try that sometime next year.
Posted 7/3/2016 2:39 PM (GMT 0)
Boyd, check that can of mixed nuts because sometimes mixed nuts are produced in factories where peanuts are also produced. Cross contamination.

I hope you figure it out.

How about some avocado slices for a snack? High in protein. Or a hard boiled egg? with a little dijon mustard on it? yummmmm

I love lettuce wraps. I use butter or romaine lettuce and fill that sucker up and have a veggie sandwich. You can put all kinds of stuff in that wrap - chicken slices, ham, tuna, or just a lot of shredded vegetables (my fav).

I then drizzle a garlic lemon aioli on that wrap. yummmm now I am hungry.
Posted 7/3/2016 2:40 PM (GMT 0)

Boyd said...

The moral of this story is I have to figure out another 4pm snack. Going into creative overdrive. scool

Boyd I know how difficult it is when your food choices are limited. Which food are you allowed to eat? We can figure it out together :)
Posted 7/3/2016 3:02 PM (GMT 0)
Let me throw this in, not sure if relevant:

I just bought a Nutri-Bullet Pro, and I couldn't be more impressed.

I blend up stuff like romaine, kale, carrots, cucumber, pineapple, avocado, strawberries. It turns everything into a smooth liquid smoothie without any chunks.

I've been really happy having green smoothie snacks every day.
Highly recommended.
Posted 7/3/2016 4:04 PM (GMT 0)
Krimpet, guess I got initiated into the world of Lymees yesterday. I'm good at listening to my body and adjusting to it's needs. When I get through all this, I'm going to slowly test putting old foods back on the menu.

Pizza, oh man, there's a pizza place that makes paper thin crusts. It doesn't make my blood glucose go up too much. Haven't had it in a while though...

*****

PeteZa, checked the nut carton and the factory does process nuts there. Humm... body must be getting more sensitive. My old reaction to peanuts is to get drowsy for about 24 hours. The herx is totally new.

Thanks for the idea about lettuce wraps! I forgot about those. Very tasty good. I used the live butternut lettuce, wrap whatever in a leaf put some mustard on it and munch away.

*****

BlueBerryMuffin, like how you worded that question. I'm on a strict paleo diet.

On the menu are meats (lean beef, chicken, tunafish), low carb vegetables (green beans, brussel sprouts, cucmbers, three small red potatoes in the morning to get my blood sugars up and starting to introduce baby green salad back into my diet), bottled water and green chai tea.

On the leaky gut diet also, so no gluten, eggs and dairy (I cheat and have a small bit of cheese now and then).

Funny thing is I eat healthier than my gym trainer did.

*****

Mustard Seed, the Nutri-Bullet Pro sounds wonderful. Being a type 2 diabetic the only thing that would go in mine from your list is kale and cucumber. I could get into those green smoothies though.
Posted 7/3/2016 5:56 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Boyd -

All good responses already, just wanted to respond directly to a few things in your quote.

Not sure if you are implying a sequence in your statement that you "just finished Nystatin and Neomycin" you also might have not completely eradicated yeast/fungal overgrowth. Nystatin pills are not very effective so just wanted to toss that idea out there. Also, S. Boulardii is good but you generally need the most strains of good bacteria you can get your hands on, particularly if you're struggling with c-diff - one strain isn't generally going to cut it. Try a brand like "Garden of Life", which has 34+ strains.

Some snack ideas:
try getting some chia seeds and soaking in acas + water juices, flavored sunflower seeds, a couple T of chicken salad (made w/ avocado mush rather than eggs/mayo), love the lettuce wrap idea.

Hope this is helpful.

-p
Posted 7/4/2016 3:21 PM (GMT 0)
Snack idea: smoothie - avocado, flax seeds, and almond milk
Posted 7/4/2016 5:25 PM (GMT 0)
Pirouette, Thanks for pointing out about the pills I was on maybe not doing the whole job. Going to order some "Garden of Life" this evening. Gut's still not working that well.

Chia seeds sound interesting. Going to have to give your recipe a try!

*****

BlueBerryMuffin, like your smoothie idea! The flax seeds will add the fiber needed with any meal.
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