A real dilemma, help pls

Hi all,

some of you might remember my post about autoimmunity and lyme that got hijacked, so I guess I'll start a new one. I'm having some real autoimmune issues and I know the lyme and co herbs aren't helping it but are instead exacerbating it. I've got some really swollen joints and I'm not sure what to do. The herbs are the only thing that's ever worked for me and I was doing so well, then my joints started swelling. I thought maybe it was just a lyme issue but they've gotten very bad. I tried not taking the herbs for just one day and my lyme symptoms started to pop up again.

I really don't know how to get around this. I know these herbs are causing autoimmune issues and autoimmune diseases aren't ones to mess with, but neither is lyme. Ugh. If I were to go on steroids or a biologic that would surely ruin my chances of ever getting off herbs but I would hate to be on steroids. In between a rock and a hard place, not sure how to get out of this one.

I had bad knees prior to lyme. Now they are really bad but I can't say it is lyme. It is just that I have been super active and have worn my knees out.

I take 2 types of collagen - www.proteinessentials.com/#!protein-essentials-home-page-1/phm1s/!/Peptan%C2%AE-Hydrolyzed-Collagen%E2%80%93Unflavored-2-LB-BAG/p/62054897/category=0 this mixes with anything and has no taste. I put it in my coffee. My nails, hair and skin love this stuff.

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www.biosilusa.com/products/ this I put in with my herbs and chug them all down so I have no idea if this tastes or not. My nails, hair and skin love this stuff also.

Pete--

I think it was someone else who mentioned collagen.

But I wanted to echo sentiments already shared and encourage you to find new ways to reduce inflammation. My neuro (and other lyme specialists I'm reading info on) have all emphasized inflammation as the main source of our pain and discomfort--which you knew already just by looking at your joints.

japanese knotweed does this really well for me, try Wobenzyme Plus (available at health food stores) - it was very helpful during my painful joint period when I couldn't walk.

A quick review of my joint issues - I started tx w/ my LLMD 2/13 and we tackled yeast/fungus and high viral load first, repaired gut, then she started me on Byron White herbal tinctures for lyme, babs and bart.

But the AL-Complex for lyme was not helping, we tried a few others but I rapidly lost the ability to walk. You couldn't see swelling in my hip joints but you could feel an unbelievable amount of heat radiating off my hips through my clothes (and this was winter and I was barely mobile). Once she started me on abx I improved within a couple wks. But I was also on JK, Wobenzyme, LDN (which also might help you but it does boost immune response).

I hope you can find some relief -

-p

Have you tried LDN for the autoimmunity? Many people with MS, fibro, etc., are finding great relief with it. But like all things, we do have to find what works best for us. Just thought I would throw that one in the mix.

Oh Yes, K07 !!! - that might be something Pete could try. I should have thought of that.

My LLND is offering it...and she told me it is good for stopping the autoimmune response that treating lyme triggers.

Enbrel is a horrible drug. Make sure you research Cancer risks before you decide whether or not to take it.

I agree with Mister Mike about detoxing like crazy. Detox is the antidote to Lyme inflammation. Diet can play a big role in management of psoriatic arthritis.

Hope you get things under control.