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Posted 7/11/2016 11:14 PM (GMT 0)
I got a spider bite on my right knuckle a few weeks back that turned into a staph infection. Thanks to my immune system being compromised with the Lyme, my body is having a VERY hard time fighting it off. I've been on the antibiotics for almost a month now and every time my hand starts to look improved, a new inflamed spot pops up.

I've read that vitamin B3 was found to have killed staph in mice, but no study has been done on humans yet. I went ahead and took clinical doses of that for a week but didn't notice any difference at all. Today I'm planning to go home and dig through all my old Lyme herbs (my Lyme symptoms have been in remission for years) and find some Cats Claw in hopes that might give my immune system a much needed boost. I'm also heading to Canada next week to do HBOT and I've read it kills staph as well. So I'm hopeful those things might start to move things in the right direction.

But has anyone else here dealt with a staph infection that just WILL NOT go away? What did you do to get rid of it? How long did it take?
Posted 7/11/2016 11:29 PM (GMT 0)
Per Buhner: cryptolepis, sida acuta, alchornea, bidens, berberine plants should be effective against resistant staph

I have not had staph myself but I can say that of those (haven't tried alchornea) cryptolepis is my favorite. 1tsp of the Montana Farmacy brand over the course of 24 hours gave me a massive die off when I was trying to treat Babesia. Granted I was also taking sida and bidens, but had been so for a week with no effect until the crypto. He says 1/2 to 1tsp for staph 3x a day unless it is very severe. If you are just dropping it directly on the wound I find berberine to be pretty potent as well, but it's absorbed poorly in the GI tract.

Post Edited (Psilociraptor) : 7/11/2016 5:34:13 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/11/2016 11:52 PM (GMT 0)
aquaholical please do not do 1 tsp of cryptolepis right off the bat!!!!

You could really become ill. That is way too much to take without knowing if you are allergic or sensitive to it.

You know the drill here at the Lyme HealingWell -- Start low and go slow. Start with just a drop and see how you do. Slowly up it, if this is what you are going to take.

I caution you to talk to your LLMD. You did not mention what antibiotics you were taking and I worry about contraindications also.

Staph is nothing to mess around with and I hope you can get it to go away soon.
Posted 7/12/2016 7:28 AM (GMT 0)
Apply manuka honey....silver gel...and diluted tea tree...maybe venom
Posted 7/12/2016 11:42 AM (GMT 0)

PeteZa said...
aquaholical please do not do 1 tsp of cryptolepis right off the bat!!!!

You could really become ill. That is way too much to take without knowing if you are allergic or sensitive to it.

You know the drill here at the Lyme HealingWell -- Start low and go slow. Start with just a drop and see how you do. Slowly up it, if this is what you are going to take.

I caution you to talk to your LLMD. You did not mention what antibiotics you were taking and I worry about contraindications also.

Staph is nothing to mess around with and I hope you can get it to go away soon.

Thank you, Pete, for the warning. I have methane-producing SIBO and therefore rampant food intolerances (all I can eat is beef and seafood) so I am well versed with the starting low and going slow ;) I react to almost everything.

I'm leaving town next week for vacation and I was going to give the abx until the end of the month when I get back. (I'm going to Canada to do HBOT treatments - HBOT apparently kills staph, so hoping that will help knock it out) If I'm still struggling with it by the time I return, I plan to go see my LLMD. I'm not taking (nor have I ever) any abx for the lyme. I followed Stephen Buhner's herbal protocol to a T and drastically changed diet and those two changes got my lyme symptoms into remission. For the staph I'm taking Bactrim now. They had me on Clindamycin for the first week, but I couldn't eat AT ALL on it. One bite of something and I felt like I gorged on a Thanksgiving sized meal and would be too stuffed to eat for days. It was so insanely uncomfortable and I wound up fasting for 6 days.
Posted 7/12/2016 11:50 AM (GMT 0)

Psilociraptor said...
Per Buhner: cryptolepis, sida acuta, alchornea, bidens, berberine plants should be effective against resistant staph

I have not had staph myself but I can say that of those (haven't tried alchornea) cryptolepis is my favorite. 1tsp of the Montana Farmacy brand over the course of 24 hours gave me a massive die off when I was trying to treat Babesia. Granted I was also taking sida and bidens, but had been so for a week with no effect until the crypto. He says 1/2 to 1tsp for staph 3x a day unless it is very severe. If you are just dropping it directly on the wound I find berberine to be pretty potent as well, but it's absorbed poorly in the GI tract.

Thanks for the info, Psilociraptor. I actually have some berberine because I'm supposed to be starting it soon for SIBO, so I'll probably go with that one since it would be killing two birds with one stone. Thanks!
Posted 7/12/2016 1:57 PM (GMT 0)
Good luck. I don't know how deep your infection is so idk if it will work just dropping a tincture on it. Buhner only mentions the powder for skin wounds as well. It was just a thought but i don't see it being particularly harmful to try especially while you're still on antibiotics and already have some. As long as by "two birds with one stone" you don't mean treating it internally. It's fine in appropriate doses for GI stuff but I hear it's not so good to try and force it to go systemic. I can't remember why.

And yes, the 1/2-1tsp cryptolepis is the recommended average dose. By all means start small, but if a couple drops aren't doing it for you at least you know why.

I'm really glad to hear the buhner protocol worked for you though. I'd love to hear more about the specifics but don't want to derail your thread

Post Edited (Psilociraptor) : 7/12/2016 8:20:17 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/12/2016 2:36 PM (GMT 0)

Psilociraptor said...
Good luck. I don't know how deep your infection is so idk if it will work just dropping a tincture on it. Buhner only mentions the powder for skin wounds as well. It was just a thought but i don't see it being particularly harmful to try especially while you're still on antibiotics and already have some. As long as by "two birds with one stone" you don't mean treating it internally. It's fine in appropriate doses for GI stuff but I hear it's not so good to try and force it to go systemic. I can't remember why.

And yes, the 1/2-1tsp cryptolepis is the recommended average dose. By all means start small, but if a couple drops aren't doing it for you at least you know why.

I'm really glad to hear the buhner protocol worked for you though. I'd love to hear more about the specifics but don't want to derail your thread

Well my staph infection is internal - cellulitis (on my right hand). I don't have an open boils/wounds. It's all just swelling and itching and burning beneath the skin. So any topical solution isn't going to do much. (even though doc has me using an abx cream 2x day just in case)

The Buhner Protocol worked pretty flawlessly for me. But I think that has to do with me being a perfectionist and following it down to a T (taking every single supportive herb in addition to the core protocol, following his recommendation of weekly massage, removing all gluten/dairy/soy from the diet/keeping carb consumption as minimal as possible, etc).

I've also been getting into HBOT hoping it might help the SIBO situation. It causes pretty insane die-off so I have a lot of hope with it.
Posted 7/12/2016 3:31 PM (GMT 0)
Nice, glad to see someone who really took advantage and all of his suggestions and saw success. But yeah, in that case I do not recommend berberine. I have used it for systemic infection before, but i read this is not particularly healthy due to the high doses required. I don't remember the particular concern but i did feel like my insides were kind of dried out. If nothing else works I would seriously go with the crypto and maybe the bidens/sida/alchornea as needed. Those were particularly recommended for their systemic effects and I can at least attest to crypto and possibly bidens as being potent and systemic. Berberine did not touch my nerve damage from lyme/co but a single day on crypto/bidens had nerves flaring up all over my body that I haven't felt in over a year and it is supposedly active against several types of staph and even resistant staph. It's cheap and will be at your house in a week. I decided to actually just keep it on hand anyways in case anyone i know comes down with a resistant infection. Buhners antibiotics book actually kind of scared me haha. Of course all cautions by Pete apply, I'm just saying what i would try if that thing doesn't clear up soon with HBOT or whatever else you're doing
Posted 7/12/2016 6:16 PM (GMT 0)
Good responses already.

I would NOT mess around with staph.

I am on vancomycin IV for bart - in my research on it, I learned it's prescribed a lot for difficult staph infections, fyi.

-p
Posted 7/12/2016 6:24 PM (GMT 0)
Fantastic. Thanks, Pirouette & Psilociraptor!!
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