Extreme Herxing and feeling so defeated

JS, how long have you been treating? Maybe you should just detox for awhile.

Do you feel confident in your LLND? I agree that you do need to go VERY slow. And maybe just one infection at a time rather then trying to hit them all at once?

Which infection is presenting the most symptoms? Maybe just knock them out one at a time. It sounds to me that you may be trying to kill off too much too soon.

Can I ask what you are doing for treatments and how much?

Others may be able to help with some specific ideas if they know what exactly you are doing.

Sorry I just saw that you have tried one thing at a time.

You may need to try different detox methods.

Have you checked out this link? [URL]www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html[URL]

Hoping you find the answers as I know you must feel so discouraged.

DeniK

Post Edited (Denikeef) : 7/23/2016 3:17:22 PM (GMT-6)

I'm so sorry JSlag - I can feel your frustration and it's certainly warranted.

I firmly believe that we all have the capacity to heal and we need to listen to our bodies as they tell us what they need. Easier said than done.

After dealing with these infections for two years now, I can tell you that it seemed I could never do enough for detoxing when I started something new. My symptoms could get worse and/or I'd develop a new symptom.

Over the months of treatment, I continued to add to my detoxing protocol.....and it's only recently that I haven't had the need to do as many things but I sure do feel better when I'm regularly detoxing.

Perfect example is my 2016 New Year's Resolution to drink Green Vibrance every day vs my previous sporadic.

Not to be corny but I feel more vibrant when I'm drinking Green Vibrance on a daily basis....and I discovered this when I had to get a replacement shipment of the stuff and didn't have it for a few days.

There are supplements you can take that help your body detox and a binder is a really good thing to incorporate....especially when herxing.

Some people actually schedule multiple binder doses throughout the day to help with herxing. (Binders need to be taken 2-3 hours away from EVERYthing since they absorb not only toxins but EVERYthing else....this means binders also need to be taken with a LOT of water to prevent constipation)

Here's a link to a thread from a few months ago wherein many members shared what they're doing for detoxing:

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3602759

I think you would benefit from the slow but continual increase in the number of things you do for detoxing....you need to keep ahead of the killing.

Best of luck to you moving forward!

Hmmmm....are you supplementing with magnesium. I know you are doing Epsom baths but you may not be absorbing enough for your body's needs. Magnesium is a macro-mineral that if depleted can cause a host of issues; some of which you list. There are over 300 bodily processes that rely on magnesium and our bodies really need a large amount of it. And having Lyme/co-infections definitely works to deplete your stores much quicker.

Yes I like the nutrametrix or isotonix powder forms. I haven't been taking magnesium lately and I think that may be partly why I'm having some symptoms. I ran out and forgot to re-order for the day time dosage. I don't like taking Calm during the day because it makes me sleepy.

Have you tried taking minimal doses? Depending on certain meds it is possible to cut them. Or take them every other day or 3rd day and gradually build up over time.

I'm also someone who has major problems with herxing, and I mean major. But I've found that if I start very slowly and carefully, I can usually successfully build up on the med. But I can't let the killing overwhelm my body, it can turn into a sort of herx death spiral for me. Can be a delicate balancing act, lots of trial and error.

I guess I am the opposite of most people, the more things I do to detox the worse I get. I had to cut way back on all that I was doing to detox, and I mean way back, no detox supplements, no Epsom salt baths, no IR sauna. If I only minimally detox I can maintain at a somewhat ok balance. I only lightly dry brush every other day, room temp mag citrate foot baths on the days I do not dry brush and luke warm showers. My nutritionist has me mainly focus on my diet to help my body be able to detox and not have so much strain from over supplementation and over detoxing. I even had to cut out all crucipherous vegetables as they would cause a herx.

Everyone reacts differently so you just have to experiment and find what works for you, but keep in mind that over detoxing can put excess strain on your already fragile system too.

sebreg- That is the perfect description- a herxing death spiral. I'm at the point where I don't even know what pain and symptoms are from herxing and what is the lyme. I'm glad to know there are others who have crazy herxes- my last two doctors were so annoyed with me complaining about the severity- almost like I was being dramatic or making it up. It made me feel awful.