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Posted 9/11/2016 9:12 PM (GMT 0)
Hi all,

I live in a state where the craft beer scene is huge (Colorado). I love craft beer. It's an art. This is hard for me because I don't want to agitate the Lyme. I was doing fine having a beer or two when I went out with friends until a wild weekend of partying for a friend's 30th birthday left me in the hospital for 3 days because of what it did to the Lyme. I haven't drank since then (14 days) but would really like to hit up a brewery on Football Sunday lol. I guess this is me ranting. Last time I stopped drinking for 6 months. Do any of you Lymies drink alcohol or are you 100% alcohol free?

Thanks,

-Mav
Posted 9/11/2016 9:16 PM (GMT 0)
I have only had alcohol a few times in the past three years.


Maybe 3 times. Only 2 ciders each time. (don't like beer)

The last time was the only time I felt lousy - it was as I was finishing the second one....I felt like I had drank 6 not two...
...and then the next morning felt really crummy.
Posted 9/11/2016 9:18 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah, same problem for me. It's frustrating because of how much our society relies on alcohol at social gatherings.
Posted 9/11/2016 9:26 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah it's an up and coming industry for sure. A buddy of mine just opened up his own brewery and I wasn't able to go to the opening of it :(
Posted 9/11/2016 10:13 PM (GMT 0)
Maverick, I feel your pain. I love a good IPA.

I don't drink when I am on abx (mainly to help preserve liver), but I will have a beer or two occasionally on my off weeks.
Posted 9/11/2016 10:20 PM (GMT 0)
I don't understand what's happened to me, if I've had Lyme and all the usual symptoms for 30 years, how come just since this past Spring have I not been able to drink any alcohol without feeling like I'm getting disproportionately drunk before I've had even 4 ounces of wine, and feel like I'm going to die 30 minutes later?

Originally I thought it was due to being an Flagyl (I didn't know the two where deadly toxic together at the time), but this persisted and got worse weeks and months after stopping the abx.

Just recently if I happen to give my friend a can of beer I'll take the first swallow, and then that's all I'll dare do....and I'm ok with that much.

Has something morphed in me, or could that be related to my adrenal fatique?

I never was a real drinker, well, not since my early 20's, but doesn't it just drive you nuts wanting something you know you can't have? Well, not all of you, of course. I partied a bit too much in the 70's.
Posted 9/11/2016 10:38 PM (GMT 0)
Mav,

I share the same love for beer as you. Believe me. Not only do I appreciate a delicious quality brew, I love (I mean LOVE) drinking beer. Brewery hopping was a weekly activity of mine before lyme hit. With football season here, its really hard to watch friends drink while I stay dry but I do it because I know its the healthy decision. Nothing is worth jeopardizing my healing. Our lives are on pause while we recover so thats the way I look at it. I stopped drinking the day of diagnosis. Hopefully we'll be able to enjoy life as we once did.
Posted 9/11/2016 10:58 PM (GMT 0)
I used to love a good craft beer. Have not been able to drink w/o paying big-time next day; it really exacerbates pain. I assume something about yeast contributes to diffuse FMS-like pain.
Posted 9/11/2016 11:07 PM (GMT 0)
Maverick,

I was wondering how you are. Should you wish to partake in the brewery may I suggest that you re-read your posts from right after the birthday extravaganza! LOL! No beer for you!

I haven't had a sip of alcohol since fourth of July weekend when I was bitten. Haven't been able to tolerate alcohol the past few years anyway. If it's fun and you enjoy it you probably can't have or do it.

Next some one will come on and tell us sex makes lyme worse!
Posted 9/11/2016 11:20 PM (GMT 0)
Its not just the alcohol, but the yeast content in the grains that are a welcoming for candida if your on ABX.

The micro/craft brews will be the worst for you during this time due to lots of grains and usually higher alcohol.

I had a few near beers and even tried some gluten free beers. Mission gluten free was decent, but still has alcohol. When I was on Flagile =zero alcohol.

Since I'm done with ABX, I'm having a beer right now LOL. Never went back to craft beers though, at least not the "heavy" ones. Not very healthy, they make me feel like a slug. And most cheap basic lagers are over carbonated (like Bud). Over carbonation makes me feel like a bloated racoon, hate it, heavy on the hops can do that too for some reason.

I'll just have lower carbonated bock or stout if I want something with taste and not uncomfortable feeling - I tolerate both of them well for some reason.

Post Edited (astroman) : 9/11/2016 8:08:43 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/11/2016 11:28 PM (GMT 0)
Astroman,

Very hopeful to hear that a post-lymie can have alcohol. Cheers to you!
Posted 9/11/2016 11:34 PM (GMT 0)
I miss beer to but have let it go for since i got sick ..12 yrs + the one that is hard is dessert...i miss things that taste good or feel good

Post Edited (bluelyme) : 9/11/2016 5:38:54 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/12/2016 2:04 AM (GMT 0)
I love beer and wine as well and have to say there is hope.

After 100 days of abx I kicked the Lyme and started up with a glass or two or three of red wine with dinner. Within a month or two was back in full drinking shape, could play a round of golf with the boys and drink whatever all day, though was a bit of a lush compared to old self.

Had a relapse though... I blame the prednisone, not the alcohol. Tried drinking whatever playing a round of golf with the boys on abx, puking insued. Liver angry! Dropped the abx, getting back to a glass of wine with dinner.

Abx made me feel worse than alcohol ever has, I know I'll catch flack for this but I think LLMD's are a bunch of quacks just trying to sell you a bunch of pills, that lead to you needing more pills. They nearly killed me. Remember they operate with no liability. They are experimenting on all of us, if you notice everyone on this forum has taken multitudes of different drug combos all to no avail.

Taking herbs, drinking wine, make the pains tolerable. Abx will kill you.
Posted 9/12/2016 2:08 PM (GMT 0)
I did not drink yesterday, I was just ranting lol. It sucks because Fall is my favorite time of year with all the festivals like Oktoberfest and Great American Beer Festival but health takes priority for me at this point. Ifor all goes well, I'll attend next year's festivities!
Posted 9/12/2016 4:33 PM (GMT 0)

AustinCreek said...
I love beer and wine as well and have to say there is hope.

After 100 days of abx I kicked the Lyme and started up with a glass or two or three of red wine with dinner. Within a month or two was back in full drinking shape, could play a round of golf with the boys and drink whatever all day, though was a bit of a lush compared to old self.

Had a relapse though... I blame the prednisone, not the alcohol. Tried drinking whatever playing a round of golf with the boys on abx, puking insued. Liver angry! Dropped the abx, getting back to a glass of wine with dinner.

Abx made me feel worse than alcohol ever has, I know I'll catch flack for this but I think LLMD's are a bunch of quacks just trying to sell you a bunch of pills, that lead to you needing more pills. They nearly killed me. Remember they operate with no liability. They are experimenting on all of us, if you notice everyone on this forum has taken multitudes of different drug combos all to no avail.

Taking herbs, drinking wine, make the pains tolerable. Abx will kill you.

Austin - you said after 100 days of abx "I kicked the lyme" Then you relapsed after being on prednisone? Was it a LLMD who prescribed the Prednisone?

FYI - you're mistaken when you say everyone on this forum has taken multitudes of different drug combos to no avail...
First - not everyone even does the antibiotic route. We have many, many members who are treating without antibiotics.
Second - I know many people who have healed on abx for lyme...and remain symptom free to this day.

and I disagree with your statement that LLMD's "are a bunch of quacks"
Posted 9/12/2016 4:45 PM (GMT 0)
Mmmm, beer. I do drink a beer or 2, but it is sporadic. I love a good beer. Will have an Oktoberfest now that weather is right. Generally, if we're home, Saturday night is movie night. And that may come with a beer...

I do not notice anything different or symptomatic when I drink one or 2. I stopped for many months also to avoid the gluten, but I didn't notice anything different from the alcohol if I have it... and I'm not complaining. The rest of our diet is so clean, perhaps that's why? I dunno.
Posted 9/12/2016 5:26 PM (GMT 0)

julymorning said...
I don't understand what's happened to me, if I've had Lyme and all the usual symptoms for 30 years, how come just since this past Spring have I not been able to drink any alcohol without feeling like I'm getting disproportionately drunk before I've had even 4 ounces of wine, and feel like I'm going to die 30 minutes later?

Originally I thought it was due to being an Flagyl (I didn't know the two where deadly toxic together at the time), but this persisted and got worse weeks and months after stopping the abx.

Just recently if I happen to give my friend a can of beer I'll take the first swallow, and then that's all I'll dare do....and I'm ok with that much.

Has something morphed in me, or could that be related to my adrenal fatique?

I never was a real drinker, well, not since my early 20's, but doesn't it just drive you nuts wanting something you know you can't have? Well, not all of you, of course. I partied a bit too much in the 70's.

This could be due to candida.
Posted 9/12/2016 5:32 PM (GMT 0)

AustinCreek said...
I love beer and wine as well and have to say there is hope.

After 100 days of abx I kicked the Lyme and started up with a glass or two or three of red wine with dinner. Within a month or two was back in full drinking shape, could play a round of golf with the boys and drink whatever all day, though was a bit of a lush compared to old self.

Had a relapse though... I blame the prednisone, not the alcohol. Tried drinking whatever playing a round of golf with the boys on abx, puking insued. Liver angry! Dropped the abx, getting back to a glass of wine with dinner.

Abx made me feel worse than alcohol ever has, I know I'll catch flack for this but I think LLMD's are a bunch of quacks just trying to sell you a bunch of pills, that lead to you needing more pills. They nearly killed me. Remember they operate with no liability. They are experimenting on all of us, if you notice everyone on this forum has taken multitudes of different drug combos all to no avail.

Taking herbs, drinking wine, make the pains tolerable. Abx will kill you.

Not giving you any flak, just wanting to set the 'record' straight.

Abx won't kill us, unless it's an over use or if the person is allergic to it - although not every heals using abx, using them to treat these infections can be extremely useful. LLMD's are not operating with no liability, as a matter of fact, they are heavily scrutinized than any other group of MD's - and some have paid dearly (loosing their practice) for trying to help Lyme patients.

So, have you switched to an herbal protocol?

Prednisone has warnings all over it about not using it when there is a suspected infection because it lowers the immune response.

With this said, I did not fare well with abx at all, as a matter of fact, I nearly died trying to use them, but that in no way means that they aren't effective for others. Some of our bodies simply can't handle using them.
Posted 9/12/2016 6:09 PM (GMT 0)
The only abx I have used are 3 weeks of doxy (in 2013 when diagnosed) and am currently on another 3 weeks of doxy (after spending 3 days in the hospital). I have had no problems and both times abx have helped me tremendously. That being said, only herbals will be able to help my body recover from the damage done by the spirochetes.
Posted 9/13/2016 2:00 AM (GMT 0)
Back in May I drank 8 beers in one night... And by the time I got to the 4th beer right through to the 8th beer I had NO SYMPTOMS!!! It was a great feeling, 0 symptoms, no inflammation, no foot pain, plus on top of the no symptoms I also felt really good from the alcohol. But the next day I had a hangover. I swear any more than 2 beers or 2 alcoholic drinks and I will feel it the next day. But I have always noticed that with alcohol for me. Alcohol is after all a poison to the body, and doctors do warn not to exceed 2 drinks in a day for men. Because I struggle with alcohol and limiting my intake is tough as it seems 1 drink is never enough, and I like when I'm in the zone of a good buzz after 3-4 drinks... I quit drinking and haven't had a single drink in over 2 months. During Lyme and Bart I went over 8 months not even having a single drink, but when I felt better again I did have an occasional drink or two. I do the ketogenic diet and it seems I just don't like the feeling that I get when I have carbs, or specifically high carb drinks or foods.
Posted 9/13/2016 2:01 AM (GMT 0)
The other issue I think I noticed with alcohol isn't from the Lyme or Bart but from the yeast ... After I drank beer I did get more yeasts both on my tongue and in my stool. So that's another thing I experienced with beer. I think it is simply an issue of my microbiome being so altered from all the antibiotics. I never had that issue drinking beer before the long term abx I was on.
Posted 9/13/2016 5:58 AM (GMT 0)
I love long strolls but am having trouble walking ..i love standing but am having trouble with vertigo...have that brewski if you can, take that vacation , life is short and precious
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