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Posted 10/17/2016 2:27 AM (GMT 0)
My recent tests have showed elevated BUN and creatinine. My left kidney often hurts (not terribly, but a mild and persistent pain. My right kidney kind of spasms and twitches. I am drinking tulsi tea and lots of lemon/ACV with lots of water. I'm worried about them, though. Does anyone have any clues?
Posted 10/17/2016 3:43 AM (GMT 0)
Kidney issues are painful. I am so very sorry you are going through this.

Most docs say drink lots of water to flush out the bad stuff.

My face just scrunches up thinking of kidney pain... I'm so very sorry.
Posted 10/17/2016 4:21 AM (GMT 0)
Llmd said roceph was only thing to clear lyme off kidneys ...i also have been using palo azul..and cutting back on protien powder ...sometimes my adrenals will kick off while sleeping for no good reason ....my ability to hold bladder is getting betterish ...
Posted 10/17/2016 4:49 AM (GMT 0)
Agree with previous posts.

dogs blood -
I think you should consider halting treatment until you get your levels rebalanced. The reason for this is that the longer you treat, the more burden you are placing on your kidneys and liver to filter the drugs and what the drugs are killing and they seem to be overloaded.

Have you tried herbal support like milk thistle seed and burdock root? MTS are given to dialysis patients. There are also cleanses that might help detoxify you.

Here is another source:
www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/10-best-herbs-kidney-cleansing/

-p
Posted 10/17/2016 6:40 AM (GMT 0)
I was prone to kidney infections and kidney stones for the longest time, and probably still am, though not had a problem for some months.

I know juices are off limits to everyone here, but I fixed the issue by consuming cranberries in some form. Usually juice worked the fastest. I diluted it, but of course sugar was still in it.

I never tried just eating raw cranberries, but I will the next time I have a problem, just because I know better now, about the sugar.
Posted 10/17/2016 8:27 AM (GMT 0)
BUN stands for blood urea nitrogen. That means you have too much nitrogen in your blood. Since your are treating Lyme and probably have an increased breakdown of plasminogen, I would decrease my nitrogen intake to allow my body time to lower its levels. I would eat less protein.
Posted 10/17/2016 8:04 PM (GMT 0)
well I have a problem that now I wonder if its Lyme induced.

Back in 2013 after sonogram of belly (ended up having endoscopy and found I had H-pylori & SIBO....they found my rt kidney to be enlarged.

so was referred to nephrologist who ran all the scans and found no blockage and no reason for it.
go back and last year they find that now both kidneys are enlarged (Hydronephrosis)

all the scans done again and again no blockage . Its caused by either a stone or a tumor...I have neither.

Looked at nephrologist and said, "why do I have hydronephrosis?" and he replied.." I simply do NOT know"
If he doesn't know who would???

so now with Lyme dx I am thinking "OH MY..The Lyme has infiltrated my kidneys?"
Posted 10/17/2016 10:36 PM (GMT 0)
laineyk -

"Lyme has infiltrated my kidneys" ---this is entirely possible. And most nephrologists will have NO IDEA how to tell or what to do about it. Even the best specialists are clueless about Lyme, unfortunately. It's not well-understood, the science that is understood is bad, the microbe is changing and it's not well-taught in schools.

But there are also so many other possibilities - nearly everything you ingest has to get processed through your kidneys and this lyme treatment not only stirs up the infection but the treatment itself is really hard on the body. I've had major GI problems for years and have done a ton of research. From what I ca tell there is more unknown than known about organ function. You add Lyme confusion on top of an odd problem, and you're up to your own devices.

I don't know what treatment you're on to treat Lyme - have you tried an all-herbal protocol vs Rx abx? It might be a little easier on your kidneys. Also, there are several herbs you can take to support kidney function (see above).

-p
Posted 10/17/2016 11:05 PM (GMT 0)
Don't forget kidney nourishing foods. Olive oil is one of the healthiest fats for your kidneys. This is because, the omega-3 fatty acids forms a protective layer around your renal cells.

Read more at: www.boldsky.com/health/wellness/2013/how-to-nourish-kidney-twenty-important-steps/have-sesame-seeds-pf16095-034700.html
Posted 10/17/2016 11:15 PM (GMT 0)
Buhner states that all blood producing organs-the spleen, liver and kidneys, are also affected during ricketsial diseases (Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever). THis is on pg 322 of His Healing Lyme second addition.

The pages following that discuss it in depth.
Posted 10/18/2016 7:30 AM (GMT 0)
Very interesting tidbit there july as im sure i have a rmsf ...
Posted 10/18/2016 9:03 AM (GMT 0)

Krimpet 🍔 said...
Don't forget kidney nourishing foods. Olive oil is one of the healthiest fats for your kidneys. This is because, the omega-3 fatty acids forms a protective layer around your renal cells.

Read more at: www.boldsky.com/health/wellness/2013/how-to-nourish-kidney-twenty-important-steps/have-sesame-seeds-pf16095-034700.html

All olive oils are not the same. The amount of polyphenols in olive oil determine how healthy it is for you, the higher the better. I have experimented by eating various types of olive oils and one I found that was easily accessible and created a noticeable difference was Bertolli Extra Virgin and it has a lower polyphenol count than many of these. You want to buy cold pressed extra virgin so that it is not made with a centrifuge. It costs more but the benefit is much greater.

Polyphenol content.

Very High Polyphenol Content: Coratina, Conicabra, Koroneiki, Moraiolo, Picual
High: Bosana, Chemlali, Manzanillo, Picholine
Medium: Arbosana, Barnea, Empeltre, Frantoio, Hojiblanca, Leccino,
Low: Arbequina, Picudo, Taggiasca


www.oliveoilsource.com/article/health-effects-polyphenols-virgin-olive-oil

apollooliveoil.com/healthextravirgin.php

pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf0602267
Posted 10/29/2016 4:18 AM (GMT 0)

Georgia Hunter said...
BUN stands for blood urea nitrogen. That means you have too much nitrogen in your blood. Since your are treating Lyme and probably have an increased breakdown of plasminogen, I would decrease my nitrogen intake to allow my body time to lower its levels. I would eat less protein.

Just wanted to say that the pain is fairly mild and has almost entirely subsided. My liver and kidney tests are looking much better too. I have been using detox tea, tulsi, dandelion, and charcoal. Per your advice I have cut out my protein shakes--I haven't heard anything about it causing elevated enzymes, but I don't wanna take any chances as I was drinking it daily for months.
Posted 10/29/2016 6:23 AM (GMT 0)
That's great news, dogsblood!

So, did you stop treatment for awhile?
Posted 10/29/2016 8:29 AM (GMT 0)

dogsblood said...

Georgia Hunter said...
BUN stands for blood urea nitrogen. That means you have too much nitrogen in your blood. Since your are treating Lyme and probably have an increased breakdown of plasminogen, I would decrease my nitrogen intake to allow my body time to lower its levels. I would eat less protein.

Just wanted to say that the pain is fairly mild and has almost entirely subsided. My liver and kidney tests are looking much better too. I have been using detox tea, tulsi, dandelion, and charcoal. Per your advice I have cut out my protein shakes--I haven't heard anything about it causing elevated enzymes, but I don't wanna take any chances as I was drinking it daily for months.

When I talk about protein, I am referring to nitrogen because that is specifically what is causing the problems. Nitrogen is not an issue unless our body can not eliminate it properly. There are external sources of nitrogen (what we eat) and internal sources of nitrogen (muscle breakdown/plasminogen degradation). It is much easier to alter the external sources which in turn alter our GI flora which is the ultimate goal IMO.
Posted 10/29/2016 3:06 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
That's great news, dogsblood!

So, did you stop treatment for awhile?

I actually did the tests two or three weeks ago, and just recently had the doctor talk about them with me. At the time I was still taking ABX daily. Now I am doing a two weeks on and one week off rotation. I'm hoping this shows some good results--If I can get my arm to stop hurting I'll be basically fine.

In other good news my WBC are up to normal for the first time since the summer. Hopefully CD57 are as well.
Posted 10/29/2016 4:15 PM (GMT 0)
Rmsf tested thru igenex? I get sharp kidney pains and thought it was just Lyme.
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