Peeling skin?

Has anyone here experienced peeling skin as a detox symptom? The skin on my forehead and around my nose is peeling quite heavily; ditto with my hands. It seems to get worse with Chlorella. I'm trying to work out if it's a good sign ..

outscruff -

This can happen with yeast/fungal die off - it's not skin but a micro layer of yeast or fungus or biofilm. Your face has openings (mouth, nose, ears) and what grows inside can start growing onto the visible surfaces of the skin.

Also, the skin (actual skin, not a layer of something that has grown on the surface of the skin) on my hands and bottoms of feet peel when I take certain herbal tinctures, particularly Grapefruit Seed Extract. I think it it's connected with increased blood circulation that increases exfoliation. I generally have very dry feet with flakey, cracked skin when off these herbs, and more normal, smoother and softer skin while on them.

Just some ideas to ponder -

-p

Yes -
what I'm describing looks exactly like what you're describing, it looks exactly like dandruff but it is not skin cells, it is a fungus that has died after being exposed to air or soap or other products and is flaking off. Most people think dandruff is flaking skin - but it is usually fungus (Selsun Blue - active ingredient selenium sulfide is an anti fungal and Head-and-Shoulders - active ingredient zinc pyrithione is an anti fungal). Other products have ketoconazole and other antifungals.

It's tough to know the difference between this dandruff type of flaking and real skin flaking. But what I experienced on my hands is very obviously different - it was skin. The comparison is obvious when you've experienced both. I think it would be tough without that comparison, though.

My face peeled for years (particularly around my nose and mouth) before I realized what it was. After successful anti-fungal treatment it's never returned. But my hands and feet peel whenever I take these herbs, in the same way and with the same feel and characteristics as when I do these exfoliation peels for my feet. So, while I'm certain that is what is going on with me - it's only a suggestion for possibilities that might be going on with you. Another clue is that the layers of skin takes several days to regenerate. The fungal flaking on my face is constant... because the yeast/fungus is constantly generating in the gut and growing up the esophagus.

I investigated this 'peeling' for about 2 years before I finally connected it to yeast overgrowth. I searched all over the internet - talked with countless people on forums, dermatologists, etc... and the notion that it's dried fungus and not skin is something that people don't think about and most reject. Some fungus is obvious, I've found that much of it isn't. But since most dermatologists cling very tightly to only what they know, there isn't much known about fungus. But it manifests itself in MANY other ways than the typical rashes.

Regarding detoxing - after researching detoxing and lyme & co treatment for the past 4-5 years, I would not "assure" you of exactly what you're experiencing is--or isn't... it's also pretty difficult to diagnose things over the internet. ;) It's also really tough to offer much more w/out seeing it - if you can post an anonymous photo that would be helpful.

I'm not convinced it's a bad sign, either... just wanted to offer a few ideas for what it might be. I'd try a few things and see what you respond to.

-p

Sounds good.
Heavy metals have been associated with heavy metals. Since the chlorella is leaching the metals, it's likely stirring up the fungus and/or causing die off. This is a pretty good article that explains the relationship:

[url]http://www.nourishingplot.com/2013/12/12/five-factors-that-perpetuate-candida/[url]

-p

Ahhh yes, the "dry crust". Very common w/ y/f overgrowth. Thanks for posting that. It is a little hard to tell but in the context of our conversation, my vote is a yeast/fungal overgrowth.

There are various anti fungal creams that will likely help the skin. The next step is to figure out the origin - is it growing from your gut? systemic? skin? Most MDs, particularly dermatologists, don't know a whole lot about y/f overgrowth, particularly if it is internal.

If it's internal, it is likely growing from the gut (very common w/ people on abx, which kills the good bacteria as well as the bad and the good bacteria is what keeps y/f in check). It can grow up your esophagus and onto your skin - a nystatin product is a 'local' anti fungal and doesn't cross the mucosal barrier so it doesn't have to be processed by your liver, etc. Very effective - highly recommend the PURE Nystatin powder - there is more info in this post (it's a lot of info but helps explain why they occur and how to effectively treat it):
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=1606610&g=3644275#m3644275

It's also possible it's a systemic overgrowth, which requires a systemic anti fungal, which does enter the blood stream and has to be metabolized by the liver so you'll need to protect it. There is more info in that post above.

If your overgrowth is internal, you would probably also have specific symptoms (that thread also has examples of symptoms).

But even more likely is that it is connected to the heavy metal treatment, which could be leaching from your pores and triggering an overgrowth on your skin and/or a die-off that you can see drying up... So, I would start with a topical and see if you have success.

Hope this is helpful -

-p

Yes, I think you should stick with the Chlorella. Just keep your doses steady and don't take too much (you run the risk of leaching too much heavy mtls from your tissues and if you don't detox them and rid them from your body effectively, they can get reabsorbed into tissues.)

Copper imbalance is also associated with yeast/fungal overgrowth.

You do have a lot going on.

Assuming the flaking is y/f overgrowth, assuming it doesn't originate internally, once you get to a point when the heavy metals have been leached out effectively, you should also affect the y/f overgrowth so the peeling should stop at some point. But this could take a very long time. Metals detox, if done right, should be a slow but deliberate process.

If the chlorella is affecting y/f that is rooted internally rather than externally, you might need to do more to combat the y/f and the best way to do that is to get on an anti fungal Rx. I'm glad that your MD brought up antifungals. Don't bother with the cheap nystatin versions (which is what most MDs will prescribe) they are weak and full of fillers and expensive. Ask for the pure nystatin powder, which is much more effective and very safe to take long-term. You can get Rx filled at compounding pharmacy.

There are natural antifungals but they're best for prevention and maintenance once you have an overgrowth problem under control so I don't think they are well-suited for you right now.

Also, you could have GI symptoms due to y/f overgrowth that you don't realize and/or the strep or prevotella are being blamed for. Again, most MDs are clueless about candida and other y/f overgrowth ( there are hundreds of strains) and tests don't tell you much about the overgrowth - even stool tests so it's up to you to know your stuff. The impact of y/f overgrowth in the gut is VAST.

The reason I'm really pressing the y/f overgrowth is that it is VERY common in people and can cause a lot of problems if left untreated. But an untreated y/f issue can make lyme treatment a bear to deal with.

- Lyme & co and y/f symptoms overlap and can cause a lot of confusion and chasing your tail when you don't know which symptoms to treat with what, nor if your Lyme & co treatment is effective or not if the symptoms are actually caused by y/f.

- Additionally, y/f overgrowth in the gut can cause a lot of damage to the mucosal lining of your intestines, which is where 70% of your immune system lives, you absorb nutrients and your medications through the mucosal lining - so damage can really disrupt healing if your'e not absorbing those critical things.

- and what's hard on your digestive track is hard on your immune system, which needs to be fully dedicated to Lyme & co treatment.

I think people are more successful w/ Lyme & co treatment when they get y/f under control first. I'm not sure what you're doing for Lyme & Co so not sure how relevant that is to you but wanted to mention it.

-p

The skin on my feet was peeling ..as also every where ..i lost all my callouses and even some fingerprints ...like all the oils got used for cells ..it happened after bactrim ...all my scars came out too like ones from when i was kid ...that had long since been gone ..weird horror show crap then the muscle wasting ..i think irs bartonella ..when i use oil of oregano in coconut oil with thieves it slows it dow ..burns a bit but works ..made a ketoconozole mix to see if pirouette is correct ..

outscruff consider getting a dna connexions test it can be ordered with out a doctor...do not wait for lyme to do more damage .

Post Edited (bluelyme) : 10/18/2016 1:20:46 AM (GMT-6)