Starting Bee Venom Therapy

Cyrusthedog said...
Tooty, how have you been doing lately? I just started BV injections. up to 3 stings today. last week I had a large Herx reaction. Previously I did 5 months of antibiotics and then after 2 months off, it all came back. I am now done with an additional 2 plus months antibiotics and adding the BVT. Curious how long this takes to see a difference. I am otherwise about 85% but really need a push to get me over the line. My lyme was in my central nervous system, heart and joints.

I would like to hear your current status. Thanks

Hey Cyrusthedog! Welcome. Boy, it's been a while since I last posted. I'm glad I am signed on to this thread, otherwise I would probably not have seen your post. BVT has helped me so much! But, I need to clarify that I have also been continuing my antibiotics at the same time. BVT seems to be hitting one thing, and the ABX another. I was making improvements from the beginning of April til the end of June with the BVT (but very slowly), but since starting Levaquin for Bartonella-like organisms (BLO) or Mycoplasma the end of June, I have been making greater gains. Not huge gains, but big enough to make me fairly functional again. I'm still not out of the woods by any stretch of the imagination, but I am able to participate in life again.

I have hit some turbulence over the past 6 months, but seem to be heading in the right direction. Recently I slacked off the BVT and I started going back downhill. So, a couple days ago I got back on the BVT wagon. 5 stings on Saturday, and 5 again today, and I don't feel like death now. My protocol is every other day unless I'm feeling too badly...and 5 stings per day is all I have been able to handle so far, except I did do 6 one day a while back. I'm aiming for 10 stings per session, but just have not been able to get there yet.

I believe this is the most promising of all the natural protocols for Lyme disease. I have yet to hear of another natural modality that works as well as this, and believe me, I have heard about and tried nearly everything else. But, I don't subscribe to the belief that it has to be bee venom and nothing else. BVT is not a panacea. There are some pathogens that it doesn't cover very well, so you need to supplement or use other antimicrobials at the same time, whether it be herbs, rife, ABX, etc.

I'm looking forward to you being the next success story!

Tooty - Quick question for you - I was surprised when you mentioned facial numbness as one of your symptoms. I have that as well - I don't hear many people say they have it. Mine comes and goes and I just can't figure it out. I see that you talk about lyme and bart - are those the two infections that you have? I know we've touched base about brucella before but I can't recall if you have it or not? I am only on buhner herbs at the moment but have been thinking about bvt for the past year. Unfortunately now I'm on a beta blocker (low dose) so I think bvt is out of the question for the moment.

Good to see ya tooty....! Bvt has helped the twitching ,eye pain livedo and others .i too am doing abx ..i was at the bee venom conference and met ellie lobel and others ..it does have 47 % effectiveness on gram neg but tnt on ln and i feel like we need to cover the spread ...ellie feels it makes biofilm stronger .she is adamant about the dose 3 x a week 10 stings on back .i have been doing 10-14 all over including head ..and also use rife ..i saw some miraculas people there where bee brought them back ...one guy had light sensitivity so bad he had to wear welding goggle outdoors ..and his shingles went away bvt ....eva sapi is to release a 33 page paper showing the effectiveness on borrrelia soon!.. my microscopy has shown that spirochetes are inside the rbc and they do indeed dislike the venom ..it helps with pain and regulates th1 th2 ....get a epi pen bottle of benadrlyl and tweezers and hive and plant some flowers and you are on your way ...i think i stopped the nerve damage ..i love propolis ..and i just caught my first cold in 3yrs ..yay..

Post Edited (bluelyme) : 11/7/2016 6:13:04 PM (GMT-7)

Tooty - I am doing pretty much the same. I think the things that I've done have not hit my primary infection. I have not tried rifampin, so that should be telling. Whatever my infection, it causes urinary issues and insomnia when I take abx.

No, I have not pursued the brucella treatment. Started with doxy & bactrim then we stopped due to possible mold issue. I did have a positive IGM through labcorp (then had a negative agglutination test). My doc said that it basically just means I have an intracellular infection which could or could not be brucella. All along my symptoms have been very bartonella-like. We are supposed to retest in the next couple of weeks and also check mold again.

What does levaquin and Alinia treat? I have not tried either of those.

I'm thinking the BVT helped you turn the corner - it pretty much hits everything.

Ko7 ..venom is better at regulating calcium channel than pharma ..also it can make the heart squeeze harder without speeding it up ..nothing else can ..the reason no b blockers is cuz epi would not work if its needed ..micheal simics has had 4 passing out phases of venom and he never did epi..he is tough though

mijos81 said...
Bvt hits Only Lyme or it hits the co infections too? What are you treating for Tooty??
And also if you don't know if you are allergic to bees, how can you test before stinging for the first time?
Would like to know which machine are you guys rifing with plz!

From my studies I have learned that Bee venom is very powerful stuff! It has strong antimicrobial effects against many bugs as blue has pointed out. Let me see if I can remember its antimicrobial effects in order of potency. First of all, it has very strong effects against biofilms....it dissolves them very well. Next, from what I have read, it has very strong effects against fungus--more powerful than Diflucan. Protozoans (Babesia) would be next. I'm not sure the order of these, but it's potent against cell wall deficient forms (L-forms) -- which can be bacteria and candida. Next is Gram positive bacteria, spirochetes, and gram-negative bacteria last. I think I got everything. Keep in mind that this information was gleaned from my review of the medical literature and may not be totally accurate.

But, there you go. It has antimicrobial activity against nearly every darn thing that can cause us grief. And, I emphasize, it has very potent activity against biofilm, fungus, protozoans, l-forms, gram-positives, and spirochetes. about the only thing it doesn't have potent activity against is gram-negatives, and blue stated a figure of 47% kill rate on that.

If you don't know whether you're allergic to bee stings, the only way to find out is to do a "test sting." You do one sting, leave it in for 5 minutes and then take it out. If you have an allergic reaction to it, you will get hives and maybe trouble breathing. That is why you MUST ALWAYS have an epi-pen with you every time you sting, even after the initial test sting. You never know if you might develop an allergy to it later on.

The best rife machines seem to be the BCX and GB4000. But, each person is different.

Post Edited (TOOTY) : 11/7/2016 7:59:40 PM (GMT-7)

k07,

blue knows his stuff! He won't steer you wrong, but he may try to scare you a bit!!! Ha Ha.

Tooty I'm on Flagyl right now, you think it's ok to take it with herbs?

Yes ko7 ..my teacher has been stinging now for 5 years ....and is going to be 71 yo ....she is in better shape than i ....

toots ..ya ellie states abx make treatment take longer ..i dont know why or how she is basing this reasoning (maybe i will email her )..the nurse at the lyme doc that saved herself with bvt and h202 feels ya gotta do what you feel ..when i know i am stable or no longer getting benifit from abx or when risk outweighs then i will review my options ..
Some herbs like chanca piedra and systemic enzymes may break biofilm up ...
i believe plasma rife works better than contact ..i have used gb4000 with mopa
and spooky central....

Flagyl even as a carcinogen is effective ...risk vs benefit ...watch out for candida ...

ko7 venex makes a venom cream,30$ it is so nice ...1squirt =1/3 a bee sting ...i had cessation from drilling pain in my wrists so i wanted more ...it may be a good test ...i makes skin red ..great for lymph and blood flow to brain ...