ALS/Lyme antibiotics + Buhner´s protocols

Hi Antoniomc - welcome to our community.

You can take buhner protocols with antibiotics...but you don't want to start everything at once.

You will want to start slowly on the core protocol (after you've been on the IV abx for awhile and have stabilized)
Start each herb in the protocol one at a time...low dose - and then add in the second herb...again low dose (as in drops)...

When you have the herbs in you at low dose...then you can increase each herb one by one.

You don't want to add in the babesia/myco/chlaydia protocols until you've stabilized on the core protocol.
then - you will add the co-infection protocols one by one.

There are some herbs that cross-over (are in more than one protocol)

Welcome Antoniomc.

You can take Buhner's protocol and antibiotics at the same time, but just to be sure, I would look up each med and make sure there are no indications or side effects if taken with herbs. It is always best to be proactive and do research. You can do this or ask an herbalist. A pharmacist will not know about herbs.

As for taking Buhner herbs, I am very familiar with those. You DO NOT take them like you take medicine. With herbs you start one at a time and you slowly - I mean drops at a time - to see how it affects you while slowly going up in the dosage.

When I took mine, I did one herb at a time until I got up to the dosage for my weight or until I "felt" that was my maximum dosage. Then I started the next herb.

realfoodrebel.com/success-with-buhners-protocol-for-lyme/

www.betterhealthguy.com/images/stories/PDF/PHA/2010_4.pdf

Even Buhner uses the word NEXT when describing the taking of his herbs in the above article.

There are other ways to take the herbs. This way was the easiest for me. Oh, and it worked.

Many thanks to all, I am new to the world of lyme, I do not speak English well (I live in Spain) and I am processing a lot of information in a short time.

I have both coinfection books in digital format but I do not have the last book because it is only available in physical format. Can you confirm that this is the 2015 lyme protocol?

1. Protecting endothelial structures - Polygonum cuspidatum (Hu Zhang or Japanese Knotweed)
2. Cytokine remodulation - Salvia miltiorrhiza (Red Sage) and Scutellaria baicalensis (Skullcap or Huang Qin)
3. Collagen protection - Great lakes gelatin, Vit C, Selenium, etc
4. Immune remodulation - Unicaria tomentosa (Cat's Claw), Cordyceps mycelium (a mushroom), withania somnifera (ashwagandha), Eleutherococcus senticosus, Glycyrrhiza (licorice)
5. Antispirochetal - Andrographis

I'm going to buy herbs in tincture from http://www.bristolbotanicals.co.uk, do you know another better site?

Hi Antoniomc,
Welcome to our community! I'm glad you found us.

As has been said, please do have a look through our "New to Lyme?" thread as it's packed with a lot of really good information.

I agree with everything that has been said about combining the protocols, and to start off slowly. Read up on herxing (to recognize it, and to know when it's getting too serious) and how to combat herxing with detoxing.

It's a journey, not a sprint.

Yes, that's the basic core protocol for Lyme.

Hi and welcome!!

Sorry for asking, but... "sporadic ALS"? 6 years?! what the heck is that? Isn't ALS supposed to be degenerative and irreversible? It is the first time i hear ALS can be sporadic... \O-o/

How has your doctor decided to check for lyme?

AntonioMc it looks like you took that from me!! It is absolutely as written in his book, except the page numbers and the chinese names.

Here it is with my added information at the end.

1. Protecting endothelial structures (pg 214) - Polygonum cuspidatum (Hu Zhang or Japanese Knotweed)

2. Cytokine remodulation (pg 214) - Salvia miltiorrhiza (Red Sage or pinyin: dānshēn) and Scutellaria baicalensis (Skullcap or Huang Qin)

3. Collagen protection (pg 214) - Great lakes gelatin, Vit C, Selenium, etc - My personal recommendation for collagen is Protein Essentials Hydrolyzed Collagen.

4. Immune remodulation (pg 215) - Unicaria tomentosa (Cat's Claw), Cordyceps mycelium (a mushroom), withania somnifera (ashwagandha), Eleutherococcus senticosus, Glycyrrhiza (licorice)

5. Antispirochetal (pg 215) - Andrographis


Step one: Stop the inflammation brought about by BB, breaking down the collagen throughout the body.
Step two: Support the formation and strength of collagen.
Step three: Design specific herbal interventions for the unique symptom picture of the person.
Step four: Strengthen the immune function.
And only in step five, use herbal anti-spirchetals to control the infection.

On step three: Design specific herbal interventions for the unique symptom picture of the person. -- this is where you address the most horrible symptom you have. If it is racing heart you would try for some heart healthy herbs (Hawthorn, motherwort, etc). If it is lymph, at this time you would address that (try Red Root). This is why Buhner's books are important.

I had great success following Buhner's ways. I did not try and reinvent all the work he had done. I stuck to his ways.

However, I also listened to my body and when something was not agreeable, I put it aside and moved on. I always knew I could come back later and try it again.

I detoxed like my life depended on it.

How to detox -- www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html

If you have any questions please write them here or if you want you are more than welcome to write me personally. My email is available, just click on my name.

Antoniomc said...


ALS can be sporadic or inherited. The tests I did on my own in arminlabs (Germany) and igenex (USA) and then I went to the doctor.

yeah arminlabs are very good at testing for this, one of the best labs in Europe. Well, congrats! There's hope for recovery for you ahead. How has your GP reacted to the news?

Huddie,

Phosphatidylcholine is also known as Lecithin. You can buy Sunflower Lecithin instead of Soy Lecithin. My new doctor has me on a "cocktail" of Safflower oil, Flaxseed oil, Liquid Sunflower lecithin and Evening Primrose oil. Mix all together and take 1 tbs a day with protein to rebuild mitochondria.

Antoniomc said...
Many thanks to all, I am new to the world of lyme, I do not speak English well (I live in Spain) and I am processing a lot of information in a short time.

I have both coinfection books in digital format but I do not have the last book because it is only available in physical format. Can you confirm that this is the 2015 lyme protocol?

1. Protecting endothelial structures - Polygonum cuspidatum (Hu Zhang or Japanese Knotweed)
2. Cytokine remodulation - Salvia miltiorrhiza (Red Sage) and Scutellaria baicalensis (Skullcap or Huang Qin)
3. Collagen protection - Great lakes gelatin, Vit C, Selenium, etc
4. Immune remodulation - Unicaria tomentosa (Cat's Claw), Cordyceps mycelium (a mushroom), withania somnifera (ashwagandha), Eleutherococcus senticosus, Glycyrrhiza (licorice)
5. Antispirochetal - Andrographis

I'm going to buy herbs in tincture from http://www.bristolbotanicals.co.uk, do you know another better site?

I bought a bunch of powders, tinctures from bristolbotanicals, all per buhner. I do not know how the quality of the herbs is (the invisible) or how they compare price wise to other european herb sites but dealing with them was fine. Packaging is good, smell seems genuine and appearance is good (what do I know?), hopefully the herbs are the real deal. I must have spent about 1500 euros already but that is because I bought the bigger packages and more or less stocked for a year which is wrong of course but quantity affects unit price a lot. I just want to hit the bugs full force. Hopefully I do not have to throw many of them later. Since I already tried abx and would have to do it on my own I am more or less forced to go herbs only. I was one year on Green Dragon LB tonic protocol with mild symptoms-air hunger (babesia), bells palsy (hardly visible) but as Buhner suggests after a year cyst forms might reemerge, and the dosing is not enough (it becomes very expensive). One year lost sadly. At least I must have conditioned my body and can start the core herbs at max doses.

Please share your experience because most of the posters here are americans and discuss american sources.

In Bulgaria Lymes is considered like flu - 2 weeks 100 doxy 2xday (or 1 pill azythromycin 5 days as more modern abx) and you are good as new. Chronic lyme after primary standard treatment is not existent.
If I could go 3 years back first I will never get bit (5 km from the nearest shrub or forest) and second will treat with heavy dose of abx at least one month starting as soon as i see the tick on my leg.

Antonio mc ....i have had to buy the rocephin out of pocket and adminster at home ..i am doing bee venom for antibabsia and taking rifampin azith and herbs for bartonella . Your life is in your hands ...order some cefetriaxuone from all day at 6$ a gram then find some one to give you iv ...if you can get a port or a picc line installed it makes it much easier ...i had a doc give me pdn diagnosis to get port installed ...the dave martz intial protocal is rocephin 2g a day ,zith 3 x a week ,rifampin 300 daily ,and tinidazole pulsed .. .then switch

this young guy did it with orals going after bart mycoplasma

http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5777

I don't know if you can contact him directly with email - but try searching online for him and see if you get his contact information - he's a practicing physician, so he has a phone number to his office.

If for some reason you can find him online, email me and I'll send you the information.