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Posted 12/11/2016 6:51 PM (GMT 0)
Hello everyone, I had a visit to my LLmd last thurs, and told him that im improving, on zith/doxycombo he wants me to stay on it for 2 more mos. I took a 4 day break just to see where im at, I had some new symptom arise head pressure, increase heart rate. Initially he told me to take arteminsin in the beginning as well, I figured i would try it last. now he tells me i should take because of shortness of breath and head pressure, i figured i didnt have babs in the beginning because he said he was treating me for lyme and bart and i didnt have this symptom initially. Is arteminsin the main treatment for babs also i heard of mephron but it expensive does insurance cover that, is there a cheaper abx or is arteminsin effective enough for babs?
Posted 12/11/2016 7:04 PM (GMT 0)
Mepron is the Pharmaceutical treatment for Babesia ...the more commonly used one.
It is paired with an antibiotic.
It is expensive...I can't comment on if your insurance covers it...you will have to inquire.

I don't know if Artemisinin is enough for Babesia. You could add some Buhner herbs to it...Cryptolepis, Sida Acuta, alchornea cordifolia (or bidens pilosa instead of ac)

I did several rounds of Artemisinin and I did herx on some rounds...especially the first one.

I have head pressure, too...but not sure if it's Bart or Babs.
Posted 12/11/2016 7:29 PM (GMT 0)
thankyou, I will try out the arteminsin, and see what happens, the azithromyosin kept it at bay, I thought it was from the doxy the head pressure im taking also. I have the sida acuta and will try that for now, is there alternatives to mephron other abx that are more affordable just in case. I guess this is like playing detective, trying to piece together the puzzle and rule out what exactly which organism is causing our symptoms, to bad they dont have advanced tests for all this. Just take one day at a time and hope for the best. I better update my Dr. on my symptoms and see what he says
Posted 12/11/2016 8:02 PM (GMT 0)
If you do Artemisinin - you need to pulse it. The intestines can create an enzyme that destroys the Art if taken too many days in a row.

I did 4 days on and 10 days off.

LLMD MR- his protocol is 3 on 11 off...and says you should start lower dose...and try to get to 5 caps 3 X daily (which would total 1500 mg of it) That is a high dose and not easy to obtain.

I did manage on a couple of my rounds to reach that dose.

It might be a good idea to keep the azithroymycin going at the same time.

Maybe malarone (pill form) is cheaper? Malarone is a lower dose of the mepron combined with another med.
Posted 12/11/2016 9:47 PM (GMT 0)
My insurance would not pay for either Mepron or the generic version of Mepron. However they did pay for the generic version of Malarone which was much cheaper.
Posted 12/11/2016 10:02 PM (GMT 0)
Artemisinin also treats Lyme - sounds like a good fit for you no matter what.
Posted 12/11/2016 10:04 PM (GMT 0)
Oh, I agree with Girlie about the possible addition of herbs to treat Babs.

There's a lot of resistance among Babs meds. Herbs are broader-spectrum and can hit more than one Babs strain.
Posted 12/12/2016 12:08 AM (GMT 0)
I guess ill see what happens with the arteminsin, hopefully things clear up a little, before I see my dr again in march.what abx did you take CD3764 before you you did buhner lyme protocol and cowden? its great your 99% healed.
Posted 12/12/2016 7:51 AM (GMT 0)
I would use cryptolepis with the arteminsin to decrease the chance of resistance.
Posted 12/12/2016 11:25 AM (GMT 0)
There's not a chance of resistance per say with arteminisin, it's that if it's taken for long the intestines will develop an enzyme that "neutralizes" (if you will) the arteminisin. This does not happen with the whole herb (artemesia annua), only with the extract of arteminisin.

And I too would encourage the use of arteminisin, and the use of the other herbs as well as the pharma abx. Just remember that all the meds will be strong and to start off slow and low.
Posted 12/12/2016 3:02 PM (GMT 0)

Traveler said...
There's not a chance of resistance per say with arteminisin, it's that if it's taken for long the intestines will develop an enzyme that "neutralizes" (if you will) the arteminisin. This does not happen with the whole herb (artemesia annua), only with the extract of arteminisin.

And I too would encourage the use of arteminisin, and the use of the other herbs as well as the pharma abx. Just remember that all the meds will be strong and to start off slow and low.

While this is true, artemisinin is not a great mono-therapy due to actual resistance (been studied in malaria).

I'd encourage you to use it with other herbs or pharmaceuticals.

I'd also encourage you to use artesunate, which is 4 to 5 times more active in the human body than artemisinin.
Posted 12/12/2016 3:05 PM (GMT 0)
I am taking Artemisia, it is a whole plant, you do not need to pulse it.
My LLMD thinks it is good option because it can be taken without the break.
Posted 12/12/2016 3:06 PM (GMT 0)
Agreed, Mustard seed. I don't believe mono therapy is good for any of these infections, but I don't believe the OP will be on herbs only. They are/will be taking pharma abx as well, but I would still recommend using more than just one of the forms of artemesia.
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