stop taking probiotics they are neurotoxic.

as my own experience my biggest enemy is my probiotics they only make sympotams worse insted of how many antibiotics i take.no one know this dark side of probiotics .only one or two website mention this and this is absoutly true that probiotics are neurotoxic.i find this clue after 6 month of struggle with probiotics.they not only interfier in recovery process but make sympotam 1000 times worsen.my major sympotams start after pills of probiotics
1 whole body vibration
2 strange feeling in throat
3 ataxia worsen(dizziness)
4 musulse twiching
5 heart paltipation
6 brain fog worsen
7 numbness in hand
8 biggest one extreme tightness in lung for 6 months
SO IF YOU THINK YOUR SYMPOTAMS NOT IMPROVING OVER COURSE OF ANTIBIOTIC THEN PLEASE FOLLOW MY ADVICE NOT TOUCH PROBIOTICS FOR 20 DAYS AND REMAIN ONLY ON ANTIBIOTICS.THIS IS MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. PLEASE SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE..COMMENT PLEASE[url]

http://www.mommypotamus.com/popular-probiotic-strain-may-induce-neurotoxicity/

Post Edited (abhi) : 12/13/2016 1:02:21 PM (GMT-7)

Abhi - this just is not true. As has been said many, many times on this forum, when taking probiotics when the person has yeast issues, there WILL BE die off from the yeast. This will increase your symptoms, just like herxing with Lyme.

This is NOT the probiotics doing damage, but rather just like in Lyme disease, it's the bad bacteria dying off and producing and/or increasing your symptoms. It's all very carefully documented science, not just my experience - even though I've been using probiotics and treating Lyme and company for over 9 years now. I was diagnosed with Lyme and company in 2007 and had used probiotics off and on previously for much, much longer than that.

The other thing is, the symptoms you list - each and every one of them is what should be expected with a die off like I have explained.

I'm very, very sorry that you feel so bad, but the only way out is to detox - not to stop taking probiotics. You will also need to specifically treat the yeast (as well as the other infections) you have, or you will only continue to get more ill.

I'm sure that there will be more comments on this thread for you to read, and please do more in-depth researching and you will see that you are experiencing healing, even if it does get worse first. Again, this is when and why we say for people to detox so much - it helps control the symptoms of the die off of bacteria.

My goodness, this thread should almost be locked or something.

Telling people on a Lyme board, many of whom are on heavy antibiotics, to stop taking probiotics is flat out dangerous!

Mustard Seed, we won't lock it, because it's obvious that Abhi is misinformed and we want to help educate them, not "put them off".

More abx will only create even more of an issue if there is yeast, which is what the OP's symptoms suggest after the use of probiotics.

For most people, taking a quality probiotic supplement doesn’t have any side effects other than higher energy and better digestive health. But for some—particularly those whose gut bacteria has been out of balance for years—there can be a “transition period” when existing problems can be aggravated.

This aspect of taking probiotics isn't often discussed, which is unfortunate. Many people look at their worsening symptoms and conclude that not only is the supplement not working as expected, but it's actually making their situation worse. Consequently, they stop taking the product before it has a chance to help them.

If you're experiencing probiotic side effects, please understand that while the symptoms may be inconvenient (and, I'll admit, occasionally embarrassing), they also are temporary.

If you’re taking antibiotics or other drugs that kill good gut bacteria, the transition could take a long time or may never happen. Common medications such as painkillers, analgesics, steroids, anti-inflammatories, sleeping pills, birth control pills, antacids, vaccines, and many others either kill or interfere with the growth of beneficial flora.

Probiotics are helpful and it also helps to regularly consume fermented foods such as real live yogurt and homemade sauerkraut, and other cultured foods such as sourdough, kefir, kombucha, and buttermilk.

Discontinuing the probiotic may get rid of your transition symptoms, but it won’t give the good bacteria a chance to take over. And worse, you won’t experience the benefits associated with a healthy colon.

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actully in my case probiotic(lactobaccilus) is neurotoxic that i am sure.and i reach this conclusion after six month of heavily suffering.actuly probiotic neurotoxicity sympotams not different from lyme sympotams.so this is my openion for long term suffering patient.this is happen to me that s why i give suggestion. try it or throw away its your choice.

https://www.google.co.in/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=probiotics%20neurotoxicity

Nice discourse and awareness raising. Peaked my interest. I did a bit of research which explains how the body responds to pro-biotics. www.mommypotamus.com/popular-probiotic-strain-may-induce-neurotoxicity/ fixyourgut.com/why-supplementing-with-probiotics-may-make-you-ill-part-4-d-lactate/ I think they will take a few reads to be able to explain in simple terms.

One article implies that the anti-biotics may contribute to the bigger picture as well.

Echoing Petza and reminder - foods good for gut health: fermented foods, Kefir.

One thing for SURE - anti-biotics are wicked when it comes to wrecking havoc on one's gut flora.
I like this person's explanation
"Though antibiotics may be necessary in certain situations, it’s important to weigh the benefits of using them with the potential risks that may come from the permanent alteration of the gut flora. If antibiotics must be used (and there are certainly situations where this is the case), special care should be taken to not only restore their gut flora using probiotic foods and supplements, but to eat a diet that supports healthy gut microbiota with plenty of fermentable fibers from starch and the removal of food toxins."
/chriskresser.com/the-high-price-of-antibiotic-use-can-our-guts-ever-fully-recover/

Abhi - thanks for sharing your understanding of what is going on with your body - sending you good thoughts. Sending your gut a happy thought and hope your need for anti-biotics ends soon.

Post Edited (multifacetedme) : 12/13/2016 10:15:49 AM (GMT-7)

I just went through the first two pages of links that you posted, and I didn't see one single link that was from a source I would consider reliable. Alternative/natural medicine is often misunderstood and villainized because it's not understood - not because it doesn't work or have negative consequences. Just look at all the hulla balloo about using herbs for treating these infections - and yet many have healed with them when they are used properly.

Many also make the mistake of not believing herbs and natural remedies to be very strong, and then end up 'in trouble' and blaming the herbs/natural things for the increased issues, when in reality it's "user error" that is to blame. More is not always better.

If you were only using one single strain of probiotics, then right there is the issue. We have a LOT of bacteria in our gut - 100 TRILLION - so by only using one strain to help combat issues will definitely make things worse. We need as many strains of good bacteria as we can get in our probiotics. I like kefir for this reason particularly - homemade versions can have as many as 32 different strains of healthy bacteria and yeasts to help bring the intestinal flora back to health.

I'm NOT saying this to convert you to my way of thinking, but in an attempt to help you find the right way to get through this. I've been in treatment for these infections for the last 9 years, so I've learned a few things along the way.

Using abx or herbal abx without using probiotics (many strains!) will certainly lead to serious yeast and fungal issues. Links from the first two pages of a search I just did to support the use of probiotics while using abx - reliable sources linked only:
https://chriskresser.com/what-to-do-if-you-need-to-take-antibiotics/


/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3105609/


www.drweil.com/vitamins-supplements-herbs/supplements-remedies/probiotics/


www.livestrong.com/article/507055-when-does-one-take-probiotics-when-taking-an-antibiotic/


/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2095085/


www.health.harvard.edu/blog/probiotics-may-help-prevent-diarrhea-due-to-antibiotic-use-201205094664
"Eating yogurt or taking a so-called probiotic when you have to take antibiotics may help prevent the diarrhea that often accompanies antibiotic treatment.

That’s the conclusion of a study just published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. A team of California-based researchers combined the results of 63 randomized trials pitting probiotics versus placebo among almost 12,000 men and women taking antibiotics. Those who took antibiotics plus probiotics were 42% less likely to develop diarrhea as those who got the placebo."

No, Abhi is a regular member here. They have 113 posts and most have been questions about trying to get help with Lyme treatment.

Traveler and everyone is right. Those symptoms you list I experienced long before ever starting on probiotics.

Abhi, I hope you don't do what happened to me years ago...12 yrs. ago when I started taking natural antibiotics for Lyme, I was absolutely clueless about probiotics! No one mentioned them and didn't know any better, so never took them... A little over 2 and a half years ago, I go to get a live blood cell analysis done and while the practitioner is looking at it under the microscope he is stunned and says to me, "wow, you must be or have taken some heavy duty antibiotics, eh?" Then he tells me that it is NO WONDER that I was experiencing Major stomach pains because I had NO gut flora at all! From that day forward, I started taking probiotics- the good kind - to build up gut flora and I am okay now...better than I have been in a LONG while regarding my gut.....so it has taken me this long to build up much needed flora...please do not do what I did unknowingly....you will regret it...just my 2 cents..oh, I also DETOX everyday- 30 minutes infrared ozone sauna...have not felt this good in years...hope I don't jinx it by saying this now......

My lyme literate Dr is an intergrative Homeopathic ND who used chinese herbal protocol for FIRST 9 months of treatment. There wasnt any need for probiotics as the herbs are antifungal.

Then I began doxycycline, and now amoxicillin and I NEED probiotics to prevent candida. Since I dont already have yeast overgrowth, I dont have any dieoff, thus no herxing!!!