Sida Acuta/Houtuynnia - It's Working - Would Recommend

Since the addition of sida acuta and houtuynnia to my chronic tonic, I seem to have much more pronounced herxheimer reactions or die off reactions.

I would highly recommend these two herbs and I feel I shouldve started them earlier.

They go alone well with the chronic tonic herbs.

They did slightly increase anxiety, but I think maybe because they are targeting babesia and that's causing a die off which in turn is causing babesia toxins on the CNS.

I've been getting this dulled out feeling which may be babesia and bart..and also anxiety feeling which may be babesia. This is since adding the sida acuta and houtuynnia.

These symptoms haven't been that pronounced until I started the sida acuta and houtuynnia.

I would highly recommend using these two. All this die off can have strange effects on the cns/brain/etc.

I think it's working, time will tell. I've also had better clearer thinking at times. Maybe I'm shifting towards the last of it! I hope so.

I hope so too lymedriven!

we're so used to the symptoms being cyclic, I at least am maybe a little jaded, but I take a wait and see stance. Houtuynnia is in the wings while I get up to dose on what I'm taking now.

I've given a couple glances at getting sida acuta, but I'm wanting to start targeting my collagen/muscle deterioration and something for my breathing.

Rikky1,
I'm confused by your statement. So you haven't been treating Bartonella directly for the past 10 months? Or you have been treating it directly for the past 10 months?
If you weren't treating it directly for 10 months than how did you expect to see progress?

Sorry for the confusion (and thanks july). I found out I had lyme/babs via Igenex in Feb 2015 so treated them for 10 months with a few different abx combos and lots of anti-malarials. The only abx's I took that supposedly have action against Bart is Zithromax but did nothing for me.

In Jan of this year I started the Tier 1 abx for Bart (Rifampin/Cipro). Since then I've also tried Rifabutin, Bactrim, Doxy, Biaxin in various combos. Definitely making a dent but it can take time for some especially with Bart its a stubborn bugger.

The chronic tonic is considered a list of herbs which including eleuthero root, oregano, neem, thyme, cats claw, euchinea, red root, japanese knotweed root, and some others you can find the post somewhere here on this forum.

search for chronic tonic

This is from the Chronic Tonic website:
Water, raw honey, organic ethyl alcohol, red root, cats claw, teasel root, japanese knotweed root, eleuthero root, echinacea root, sweet annie, wild sarsaparilla root, st. johnswort, neem leaf, thyme, oregano.

There's some potent stuff in that Chronic Tonic be careful!

I've spend thousand on these herbs from woodland essence and other places, Sida, Houttuynia, Isatis, Rhodiola, Eleuthero, Cats claw, andrographis, licorice, red sage, red root, olive leaf, cordyceps, red reishi, lomatium, lemon balm, japanese knotweed, chinese skullcap, schizandra, ehinacia augustifolia.

I have take ALL of these in various rotations for almost 7 straight months LIKE IT WAS MY JOB.

I am worse than when I started, more disabled than ever, can't take proper care of my house or do any of the chores a husband should do, or take part in the hobbies I used to love. I can't even exercise to keep myself in shape, which is very important to me. But now my family is also in debt from all this stuff that didn't work.

I really believed in Buhner, I bought his books and really put stock in his ideas. It was a huge waste of time and money.

Randy Eichner said...
Bdavis
It sounds like your loaded with toxic die off. You may wanna kick up the detoxing. And I don't mean internally. Im talking about externally. If your body is over burdened it will shut down.
I changed my diet and externally detoxed for months before taking any herbs. Plus I have added probiotic kefir every other day. Healing the gut is just as important.

Randy, I've been dry brushing. My wife suggested going to a FIR sauna, maybe that would help?

I made my own raw goat milk kefir for months. Also made bone for a while around the same time (I was attempting to work on the gut). This was in 2015 before I found I had the lyme specific antibodies, and was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. So well before I started on the lyme herbs. The problem I'm having is that I've tried just about EVERYTHING and I never get any better.

lets see:
low dose naltrexone
correcting gut (glutamine kefir, probiotics, bone broth)
removing gluten
removing grains
removing nightshades
removing dairy
magnesium oil
lysine
monolaurin
drinking borax
drinking turpentine
pectasol-c
activated charcoal
drinking ocean water
multi-vitamins
vit d
vit c
NAC
mercury detoxification (IMD, ALA, DMSA)
had my own blood drawn, and fed back to me over months to reduce autoimmune reaction
doxycycline
ivermectin
chlorine dioxide
colloidal silver
colloidal gold
grounding
energy medicine
proteus desensitization though drops
so so many herbs
serrapeptase

Plus whenever I am physically able I exercise and try to get in the sun each day if I can.

Nothing works. Can you see why I feel like giving up?

Post Edited (bdavis) : 12/17/2016 10:23:41 PM (GMT-7)

Dry brushing is useless all alone if your that toxic.
Yes yes fir sauna along with dry brushing plus epsom and hydro p foot soaks or ionic foot baths if you can. Our skin is the biggest detox organ we have.
Healing Lyme is a slow and methodical process. And is def not about just killing or taking supps by mouth.
Removing grains is awesome but adding veggies and goods fruits is even better.

The ra is likely the Lyme or co infections.
I would seriously start external detox prote asap and not just one method but multiple.

I have to agree with Randy, BDavis. You've been on a lot of treatments, but not much detoxing. I would encourage you to start with an extensive detoxing routine, but of course, starting off slowly because you can release more toxins than the body can handle and have it backfire on you. It's known as over detoxing, and feels like you are herxing or just getting worse - I've been through that more times than I care to admit to.

Gene mutations, mold exposure and multiple tick-borne infections can all prevent us from detoxing well, but we must be able to get those toxins out of our bodies. We need to detox by several means daily, as detoxing has a cumulative effect - the more you do, the better your body is at keeping those toxins flowing.

For example, I have not had any of the gene mutation testing done, although I do seem to have the same kind of issues as those that do - so I figured it was best for me to assume that I did and work to get my body to detox much better. It took a lot of diet changes as things with my body changed,
I use a foot soak,
dry skin brushing,
Lymph massages as needed,
making sure my bowels moved at least once a day (sorry if it's TMI!)
pushing myself to drink at least 64 ounces of lemon water each and every day,
liver/gall bladder flushes (all natural) as needed,
Apple cider vinegar,
Quercetin,
Alpha Lipoic Acid,
oil pulling with coconut oil and a few drops of tea tree oil,
using Yogi brand detox tea,
taking activated charcoal (when necessary),
and keeping the amount of stress in my life at a bare minimum.

You can find some really good detoxing suggestions in the "New to Lyme?" thread that sits at the top of the forum.

And this is another good list of possible detoxing routines: www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html

For anyone interested in what herbs are in the Chronic Tonic that is "homemade" instead of purchased from Misty Meadows that some of us are using, here is a post that outlines that. It's pretty much the same herbs, but without the honey and few other things as it's a medicinal tea instead of a 'tonic': www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3244272

If you can't detox heavy metals, mold or yeast, then it's likely you are having trouble with Lyme and Bart toxins as well. I would encourage you to work on finding detoxing routines that you can tolerate (start off slow with these too!) and keep at it. Detoxing has a cumulative effect - it only helps minimally at first, but the more you do, the more it begins to help. I can't go without detoxing now, or I feel the effects of the extra toxins. It just makes my body struggle more. I couldn't tell a difference for the first several weeks though, I just went on faith that it would eventually help - which it did.

You may also need to treat the mold first. Quite a few people have discovered that they have to treat mold before they can receive much healing from Lyme and company. That kind of sounds like your situation too, I think??

This can be very confusing and feel like we are chasing invisible rabbits down their holes, but eventually you should be able to find things, when addressed in the right order for your body, that will lead you to healing. The problem is, we each have different "loads" of different things. I've been very fortunate to not have issues with mold, since I live in an area that has mold problems due to the humidity here, particularly in the warmest summer months. I really feel sorry for those that deal with significant mold/fungal/yeast issues as I seem to have been spared from that.