Does Stopping ALL Treatment For 1-2 Months Create Severe Issues?

I have 4 months of trying all I have read of taking for my Lyme Diagnosed by blood tests ordered from a Neuro quack now. Symptoms are MUCH worse than when I began treatment from Stephen Buhrner's (SP?) most recent book. I also self treated (still using his book) for my best guess for Bart and even Babs to a degree, all at once and at 100% FULL dose on every single herb.

Winter is finally here in this hot & sizzling part of town and we will face heating bill of $250-$300 per month the next 3-4 months. We spent EVERYTHING on these herbs and I wonder if stopping ALL of it, for 1 month, preferably 2, how much if any does it hurt my odds of getting better? As some who know me are aware, I am convinced most my issues are from a massive tumor having returned to the base of my spine like it has twice before. But since it never shows up on any MRI, nobody will open me back up unless it does! Insanity but what I have to deal with. Only reason I got opened up before was so they could do 6 spine fusions and make their $450K.... Anyway, when I suddenly became paralyzed (JUST like the last 2 times) they put me through all their million dollar money making testing scams for nothing. So if I had not been found to have Lyme by 2 bands showing up positive for bands #39 and #41 that shocked EVERYBODY, I would never have even tried all these herbs or my doctors 28 day course of Doxi when this began.

Yep, I am bitter. I am fed up. I will NOT keep wiping out what tiny measure of security my wife has remaining for her retirement if about 5 years IF her Cancer doesn't kill her first. It breaks my heart every single time I place an order for almost $300+ dollars for this stuff. We don't have a lot but have all we need. That itself will soon change as a result of these costs should I continue treatment. But the sudden cold turn in weather has me considering ending treatment Jan 1 for a month or 2 or 3? I have an email in to Valerie at Sage Herbs to ask what it would cost to have her guide me after an phone evaluation, or whatever it is called since doing this alone is producing NO good outcome. There is a fairly good chance she will NOT respond however since even though I still buy a little from her, I mostly switched to Hawaii Pharm last month after a somewhat tumultuous relationship with Valerie...

So I ask, will it maybe even be a GOOD thing to "take a break"? Or will the seas open up and swallow my old self up whole (I WISH!). While I need the money for heat, I also can't afford to just throw away all the money we just spent the past 4 months, if in fact, that is what I would be doing? Let me know. And I KNOW Traveler & Girlie are gonna SPANK me

Yeah well we did ALL the weather proofing a year ago even with new roof/windows/repipe/carpet etc. And have the cannabis covered a bit as well as we bought the largest & BIGGEST almost $300 dollar bottle of CBD and it did NOTHING, and I do mean NOTHING to mitigate any of my chronic pain from 4 bullet & shrapnel wounds or 6 spine fusions or Mastectomy, 5 hernia surgeries, I could go on but ya might think I am unlucky.... It did nothing to help mood or anything else but make someone at CW richer.

I also have electric heat pads and electric throws as well but it is simply unhealthy to have frost on your breath INSIDE you home 24/7 Not to mention all the Titanium from my throat/neck to my tailbone (L5/S1) feels like getting a colonoscopy with the Worlds largest ICE-CYCLE 24/7 :-(

Not sure but think when it comes to pain and depression I have pretty much tried everything from the books to praying and used to just box or work out to blow off steam. Now I try to make it to the bathroom with only falling 1 or 2 times on the carpet we put in to help with softer landings. Maybe I should get a trampoline......

Was not using it for Cancer, just pain and seizures...I do NOT to be high. Unlike most. Not because I was Law Enforcement, but because I hate the high. FULL use of pot even for pleasure was just approved by law here in California so once stores are allowed to sell I intend to try even the stuff I despise. Just a tiny bit this time in case it is as useless as CW was (for me) and only for pain. At this point I doubt anything other than my $6K-$8K and up per year for my current Fentanyl 100-150 MCD every 48 hours is going to have any effect on me at this point

I completely understand. However cannabis does more than just treat pain. It breaks down the tumor cells to be eradicated. Don't smoke it. Eat like you would any other med. Also you should be able to get a med card which can save u money like we have here in co. Try and think of cannabis like any other healing herb not a drug.

bluelyme said...
Rick simpson oil ,rife machines may help cancer ive heard of stage 4 coming back ..
Mike bees are 13$ a week ,can shrink tumors and heal nerve . ...i learned of a lady saw pics of a baseball size tumor she stung it daily and got use of her arm back ...i know you mentioned being scard of the wee little buzzers but it really helps pain too . It will handle the infections ....

so lets say bartonella is causing the tumor and destroying the nerves as its known to do ..it replicates every 24 hr so 2 months of not treating only means 60x more bugs ...

lets say you are scared to do the beevenom ,you could order zithromax and rifampin from a online pharmacy for 50$ and maybe a little diflucan for the candida. ...
Its hard to watch as we dont get better ....buhner stuff is for symptom mitigation ,cell protection and inflammation reduction ,the only few that actually kill bugs are jk ,houttynia ,crypto ,artmesia and andrographos ,smilax ,and maybe teasel .

if you are not getting relief the switch it up ...ya your hell makes my hell seem like a picnic

Yeah Blue I switched it up a LOT with 8 tinctures now plus 26 different supplements. I am SURE the bees would help with the other pain cuz I'd be dancin around that campfire SCREAMIN "Get these FRIGGIN BEES OFF my OLD A**"!

And I have now had 54 tumors removed from me from not just "exposure" from Agent Orange, but from being directly sprayed with it. Ya see I was in NORTH Viet Nam instead of the south Viet Nam at the time (don't ask...) and it wasn't my idea. Don't think yer bees will be my knees?

Mike, I would actually encourage you to take a 2 month break and do all the detoxing and eating healthy that you can fit in during that time. I believe it will be helpful to you.

I'm so sorry about the cost of heating your home, and no, no one should have to live with frost on the inside of their home. I've lived through a few winters like that when I was living in northern Idaho. I was younger then too.

Take things one step at a time. I"m pretty bitter over the treatment and non-treatment that I received by/from doctors/dentists during my life as well. I know there are a few out there still that are in it for the right reasons, but there aren't many left any more.

It only hurts for a minute ....but i hear your plight .. i grew up with a guy whos dad had direct exposure ..he was born without legs ..no knees at all..
we wernt even supposda be there ..

.if you were in my care and i had unlimited funding ...i would treat directly on your back with liquid bee venom and procaine so you wouldn't feel it and cry.... ...i would get you in a ozone sauna detoxing with iv glutithione and ala ....i would alternate high dose vit c and rocephin a few times a week and start you on some b12 shots ...then implement ir sauna and get that crap out with edta , charcoal ,cilantro ,pectin clay ,and clorella ...

A 70 yo lady sting with 30 bees a week she rides horses ,and works now ...just a # mike ...cant throw in a towel and you are here for more than sympathy and respect which i sure every member has for you ..however ...w t f are you gunna do and how ...what about your reporter friend? What did she say

Post Edited (bluelyme) : 12/18/2016 6:34:26 PM (GMT-7)

Just Mike said...
I think I should feel a little SOMETHING or else why even bother spending the money. Just can't see how I can get any worse since I can't even stand anymore, even holding onto things.

Mike I know you're not looking for sympathy, but I just wanted you to know that I have had the exact experience you're having with the herbs. My family has gone into debt and sounds like your family may be headed that way too.

What I am doing is using whats left of the herbs and not buying anymore for now. Since they didn't help me, I figure going off them shouldn't hurt. If I had money I guess I would continue, but I don't.

What has been suggested to me is looking for other reasons why I'm not improving. Heavy metals, mold exposures, not detoxing enough etc. Hope you figure it out. You're not alone.

Getting into or making a hot epsom salt bath may be difficult for mike and shoving coffe up our ass is not a viable oprion either ...for the shakes the two most helpful thing behing the bee venom has been chinese cats claw ,and some xanax ...

i would get a few bottles of andrographis(herb farm) and some oil of oregano ( mix with almond and apply (smell like pizza )...you need some quality of life and i know a friend in florida who was wheelchair bound and diagnosed with parkensons ...got up and walking in 2 months with bee venom ...."freedom just another name for nothing left to lose "

Watch a you tube on it
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm9Z4vo1r6o

also you can come use my rife if you want in just 10hrs away

Well, coffee enemas and Epsom salt baths are not options for me either (I have massive repercussions from using either), and yet I have had to rely on detoxing alone to bring me out of severe symptoms - and it worked. Was it long and harder than being in treatment? YES!! But, it was my 'way out' of severe dementia symptoms, not being able to stand for more than 7 minutes, having seizures, having such serious muscle tremors that it looked like a seizure because my body would just shake and quiver and literally "bounce" me off of whatever I was sitting on or laying on - including 2 doctor's exam tables, and so much more.

Had I known about detoxing, it's possible abx might have been a big help to me instead of bringing on the worst time of my life - which says a lot since I've lived with these infections all my life.

I was literally laying in bed dying - and with months and month of detoxing, I came out of it far enough to be able to gt out of the house for more than 30 minutes without being so exhausted that I would fall asleep in less than 10 minutes of sitting still, even when I was in massive pain.

Detoxing is not a miracle cure, but our way to reach our miracle cure (for us, simply because it feels like a miracle that we actually healed).

The body can only tolerate so many toxins without everything going haywire in the body - that's how the body is designed, and something we can't change no matter how hard we try. So creating more toxins without removing the overload a person already has is a recipe for failure of any treatment tried. Many have learned this lesson, including me.

That's exactly what I was looking for when I stopped all treatments and started detoxing - a way to reboot. To start over. I wasn't done fighting for some healing, only taking time to prepare my body to try yet again - like I'm doing yet again. Just like with a house, if our 'foundation' isn't strong, no matter what we do, the 'walls' will come tumbling down - in my opinion and based on my own personal experience.

Will this work for everyone? In some way it may, but we still all need different levels and different approaches still. I had to start off with the most basic things - starting out with a body that wasn't overwhelmed with toxins. I believe it's worth a try for you.

While I can't tell you that the herbs you've been using will work after this, I can tell you that your body will be in a better position to attempt whatever healing protocols you choose. No one knows what will work for them until they try it, unfortunately.

In many ways, you and Trish are in this together - like my hubby and myself. He's permanently disabled, and I haven't been able to work for over 25 years now. We just try to get along, buying the things we need as we can. I'm having to postpone restarting my protocols in order to help him through his recent knee replacement and rehab, but I do intend to restart my treatment soon.

I've chosen to restart by treating viruses again, then will move on to the bacterial and any possible parasite issues after that. One step at a time, and I'll be doing my best to not 'miss' any steps in rebuilding my body. It's a long road for many of us - like you and me, and our spouses - but I do believe that while we would definitely take complete healing, we don't expect it. Just heal enough to have a decent little life.

One step at a time for both of us. Just don't forget how important detoxing and going slow really is. I'll likely be here just as long as you are - maybe longer since I have a tendency to hang out here. :smile:

PeteZa said...
Mike, one thing you might want to do is get some smaller capsules.

When you do start back on your herbs, you want to start again at a very low dose and 00 might be too much of a dose. Either smaller caps or put a lot less herb in those 00 caps.

Good luck buddy and happy detoxing!!

I was thinking I "MIGHT" just jump back in at 100% full strength since I never had any reaction of any kind even when I did it that way on 3 of the 6 Tinctures I am on. But do NOT tell Girlie or Traveler, they'll beat me!

I was thinking...( I know, BAD idea!),

Considering staying on all I am currently taking (5 Tinctures) since no word yet from Sage and they may never respond since they often flake on me sadly, and considering buying a book on Amazon- /smile.amazon.com/Wahls-Protocol-Cooking-Life-Revolutionary/dp/0399184775?_encoding=UTF8&keywords=wahls%20protocol&qid=1482169296&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2

Wonder if I go 100% CRAZY (short trip) and literally hand over my very life to this, give up my morning 16 ounce of instant Coffee and 1 cup of salted mixed nuts that is my only food till 1 PM when I have a huge Costco muffin....give up ALL of that and my dinner of whatever Trish makes me around 7 PM, NO beer (but maybe have a 7 up wine cooler or 2 per night?), maybe all that sacrifice would yield some results? Along with my current dry brushing, Epson salt foot soaks I do as well, think changing it up this way might do it? Or do the Wahls Paleo diet but STOP my herbs for a couple months? I will hang tough and eat the money, do it all for a little bit longer IF the Diet thing really does that much? Have the VitaMix blender and Juicer so have the tools. Just need a better map?

* I am now unable to even stand up for 30-40 seconds even holding ONTO something. I am now THIS weak.
*Walking at ALL, no longer exists in my life. The 1-2 miles per day-EVERY day are now faded memories.

bluelyme said...
Mike i could not stand for but a few minutes 6months ago.. i can walk a lap in cosco now .

are you against taking antibiotics ? Btw 7 up,cosco muffin is sugar=candida
minocycline on internet is supercheap ,even rocephin is 6$a gram as a shot
maybe get some mino tinidazole and rifampin and diflucan and pulse them i bet you walk in 3 months since youre scared of bees ..

the video if you watched it is 10 well placed stings ..it helps with pain and only burns for a minute ,not at all if you ice it and your house sounds cold enough ...come on mike what do you have to lose ...i will buy your first month of bees and va will cover epipen ..bok,bok bokbok bok
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm9Z4vo1r6o

Thanks but no thanks Blue
And to be clear, not at all afraid of little bee stings, just find the idea a bit, uh, well not for me. Read it takes a 2 YEAR nonstop treatment plan and I just can't see it myself to once again wake up to find it failed as well. already about to turn 68 years old in Feb if I make it so time is short! See a brief video IO had my wife take of my back for some pain rub I got last year, NOT afraid I promise..../www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7fGJGEWRkQ

And my stomach and chest wounds are FAR worse than my beg. Then we have my leg wounds. Oh and where my right leg was nearly completely severed by a Machete in a little hand to hand battle in that oh so fun Jungle...but those are pictures I don't like to share, a bit to gruesome. I don't even let Trish see me naked with the lights on after almost 40 years :-(

****Now, On the antibiotics! I have begged at least a dozen times for ANYONE who knows WHERE I can get them online, to tell me WHERE!!!! Publicly or privately, please TELL me. ALL the sites I went to were shady rip off outfits and no thanks. I have literally begged for info on how to find genuine sources for REAL drugs that require prescriptions here in the US?

Now, what I have done is I just ordered this book and will do a 180 on diet and I WILL be 100% faithful on adhering to plan #3 which is the most brutal of her plans. Beginning Jan 1 and only so my wife Trish doesn't lost a couple hundred bucks in food already bought. I bought

/smile.amazon.com/gp/product/1583335544/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have no idea how to survive no morning coffee and nuts at 5AM then Costco muffin at 1PM to hold me till 7 PM but here I go. I have survived and endured UNTHINKABLE horrors. Even marriage! Several times! So I can do this. Maybe this will stir something up. Once I get going and begin to adjust, I will resume my Tinctures. I don't know what else to do and pray stopping the herbs for a month or so don't undo any unseen improvements that MAY have been achieved that I just can't see? I honestly just don't know what else to do....

* Oh an as usual, Valerie at Sage never responded to my email. AS USUAL so I will be staying with Hawaii Pharm. At least I can go surfing with THAT bunch if I ever get better. Super people there and I have a nice bond with. MAHALO Dude