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Posted 12/20/2016 5:27 PM (GMT 0)
Mike - just do a google search "buying antibiotics without prescription" and see what comes up.

I've done it before...just to check (in case)

Also, do a search on the forum...
Here's one thread:

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3631147
Posted 12/20/2016 6:02 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
Mike - just do a google search "buying antibiotics without prescription" and see what comes up.

I've done it before...just to check (in case)

Also, do a search on the forum...
Here's one thread:

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3631147

Thank you Girlie. But as I have mentioned, quite a lot, I have found every single one contacted to have shady histories IF not outright fraudulent. Maybe so many years working for assorted Police Departments ruined me for life but I have a really huge issue with credibility of these "Internet" drugs. Same reason I question the validity of ALL these online Herbs we are all paying a LOT of money for with no end in sight. It makes me crazy to think of all the money being made fraudulently from people in distress, especially end of life patients. But on a brighter not, I have found a way to relax while I sort all this out! *see image below smile
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Posted 12/20/2016 6:44 PM (GMT 0)
umm...are you sure that would 'relax' you? LOL


I don't know if the online pharmacies are all shady. There are forum members who have ordered that way.
Posted 12/20/2016 7:29 PM (GMT 0)
the pic made me laugh!!! You have a cute wife. I hope that is your wife. LOL!! j/k
Posted 12/20/2016 8:48 PM (GMT 0)

PeteZa said...
the pic made me laugh!!! You have a cute wife. I hope that is your wife. LOL!! j/k

Nah just jokin as usual. To be honest, in Feb/March 2014 when I was told I had to have surgeries that were unlikely I would survive, I didn't have time to really write anything or DO anything to honestly tell Trish how MUCH I honestly loved her. In a state of shock that my life was so suddenly ending I just sat down and took some old pictures of us to look through. I set them on a table in front of me and to be honest, for first time in my life considered suicide.

Then as I looked I thought I would just assemble a tiny microscopic "glimpse" of our time together since I only had hours before the surgeries were to begin. I used some free program and made a little "Goodbye" for Trish and our girls. Our girls of course being our 2 cats who sadly DID die that very year after 20 years with us, Lucy & Ethel. I know, that goofy sense of humor again with naming the cats...

Anyway, here is the REAL us, all 4 of us but it only covers the 20 years with our "girls" at our side since this was our Family. Our LIFE. It is short but I only had minutes and din't know how to, well, say "Goodbye"....Just a glimpse but the real us /www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GymqgJKnSE&feature=youtu.be
Posted 12/20/2016 8:59 PM (GMT 0)
That's beautiful, Mike, really beautiful.

Gosh, you're really pulling on my heart strings....
Posted 12/20/2016 10:19 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
That's beautiful, Mike, really beautiful.

Gosh, you're really pulling on my heart strings....

Oh, well in THAT case, here, pull my finger turn (I know-I'm hopeless)
Posted 12/21/2016 1:16 AM (GMT 0)
nono
Posted 12/21/2016 2:21 AM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
nono

I know, just like Trish-Party poopers. I'd try for being a stand up comedian but I can't stand up anymore....
Posted 12/21/2016 2:35 AM (GMT 0)
:'( Beautiful.
Posted 12/21/2016 4:07 PM (GMT 0)

Just Mike said...
I am not quitting. But I am looking for a way to "reboot" and try a different approach or at least do something major in a different way in order to seek an improvement.


Also look into intermittent fasting (IT) and fasting in general. It is the most powerful and natural way to reboot
the immune system and do some "house cleanup".
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6PyyatqJSE
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk_q54Js9mk
etc.

Post Edited (Olesver) : 12/21/2016 10:03:06 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/21/2016 5:01 PM (GMT 0)
I love that video. So beautiful.
Posted 12/21/2016 5:07 PM (GMT 0)

Just Mike said...

PeteZa said...
the pic made me laugh!!! You have a cute wife. I hope that is your wife. LOL!! j/k]

Anyway, here is the REAL us, all 4 of us but it only covers the 20 years with our "girls" at our side since this was our Family. Our LIFE. It is short but I only had minutes and din't know how to, well, say "Goodbye"....Just a glimpse but the real us /www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GymqgJKnSE&feature=youtu.be

Oh my gosh! Such a nice video. Trish is lovely. Great picture of the four of you. I had a really good chuckle at your biker patch......COBB - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Posted 12/21/2016 5:15 PM (GMT 0)

Olesver said...

Just Mike said...
I am not quitting. But I am looking for a way to "reboot" and try a different approach or at least do something major in a different way in order to seek an improvement.


Also look into intermittent fasting (IT) and fasting in general. It is the most powerful and natural way to reboot
the immune system and do some "house cleanup".
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6PyyatqJSE
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk_q54Js9mk
etc.

Thanks for the reminder. A friend of mine has fasted one day a week for years. She swears by it. And when you think of it, when we've had to fast for medical reasons, we feel good. Hopefully everyone does.

For awhile recently, I did not eat anything after 4pm and had breakfast at 8am. I was following the 16 hour fast recommended by 'The Better Health Guy?' It felt so good to do that. I also dropped weight. I'm not doing it now because of the time of year.

Thanks Olesver. I'm going to start again in the new year.
Posted 12/21/2016 5:25 PM (GMT 0)

Buzzlymeyear said...

Just Mike said...

PeteZa said...
the pic made me laugh!!! You have a cute wife. I hope that is your wife. LOL!! j/k]

Anyway, here is the REAL us, all 4 of us but it only covers the 20 years with our "girls" at our side since this was our Family. Our LIFE. It is short but I only had minutes and din't know how to, well, say "Goodbye"....Just a glimpse but the real us /www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GymqgJKnSE&feature=youtu.be

Oh my gosh! Such a nice video. Trish is lovely. Great picture of the four of you. I had a really good chuckle at your biker patch......COBB - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

We took our Honeymoon on a Yamaha Race bikesmile If crazy could happen? It happened to US on that trip! Began with a major earthquake and the highway in front of us collapsed in Big Sur and to this day she has still never seen it nearly 40 years later. Same with Hearst Castle I wanted SO bad to show her...Then it went from 60+ MPH winds to a 98 degree day so I was riding in just a pair of cut off shorts in the country back roads and we hit a swarm of hornets. )THAT should make Blue happy!) After the swelling went down we continued to the desert at Lake Isabella California. There I was sort of racing around an old mining road near I mine I used to work in in the 1960's and hit a major rock where the road had washed out and literally ripped the 4 into 1 exhaust out of the motor. Ah, FUN times.

Anyway, that huge Crippled Old Biker ****** patch was my call sign smile I was lucky enough to wear it for almost 2 years before that fateful day on 4/1/2014 that would end life for me as I knew it. Used to be a lucky day for me so I accepted it for my emergency surgery but that time it backfired. Life would never be the same. But Trish. My God how I love the girl.... She just becomes MORE beautiful to me as years fly by. She doesn't believe that I honestly feel that way but it is so true. Not sure why a woman can't believe that can happen? Her inner beauty is more than any man could dream of and I still (and FOREVER will) just "look" at her when she isn't looking smile Strongest woman I ever met but sill a little, innocent sweet girl deep down underneath where she thinks it can't be seen....I wish I could just die holding her hand.

But is I did she would smack Hell outta me......
Posted 12/21/2016 7:30 PM (GMT 0)
Just Mike,
"We spent EVERYTHING on these herbs and I wonder if stopping ALL of it, for 1 month, preferably 2, how much if any does it hurt my odds of getting better?"

Stop herbs, and go on antibiotics. If herbs aren't working or have stopped working and are running your wallets dry then stop them. Find an llmd or a doctor that will give antibiotics long term near you and go to them. Stop looking at what Traveler and Girlie are doing. It's your money, your health AND you mentioned that your wife has cancer and you've been taking money out of her retirement? Stop.

This board is very heavily leaned towards herbs. Why? I don't know. But one thing I never hear talked about is the cost of these herbs. Burner's full protocol alone costs hundreds of $ a month (or every other month). Yes Llmds are expensive (especially the first appointment) but herbs obviously aren't working for you.

And no it is not a good idea to stop treatment for 2 months when you're still having symptoms. Now if you weren't still having symptoms that would be a different story...
Posted 12/21/2016 7:58 PM (GMT 0)

afiya4health said...
Just Mike,
"We spent EVERYTHING on these herbs and I wonder if stopping ALL of it, for 1 month, preferably 2, how much if any does it hurt my odds of getting better?"

Stop herbs, and go on antibiotics. If herbs aren't working or have stopped working and are running your wallets dry then stop them. Find an llmd or a doctor that will give antibiotics long term near you and go to them. Stop looking at what Traveler and Girlie are doing. It's your money, your health AND you mentioned that your wife has cancer and you've been taking money out of her retirement? Stop.

This board is very heavily leaned towards herbs. Why? I don't know. But one thing I never hear talked about is the cost of these herbs. Burner's full protocol alone costs hundreds of $ a month (or every other month). Yes Llmds are expensive (especially the first appointment) but herbs obviously aren't working for you.

And no it is not a good idea to stop treatment for 2 months when you're still having symptoms. Now if you weren't still having symptoms that would be a different story...


afiya4health - fyi - I AM doing antibiotics....but I don't "push" one or the other...it's an individual choice which route they choose to go.
...and no, this board is NOT heavily leaned toward herbs. I am on antibiotics and have not felt that anyone..or this forum collectively is trying to influence me to switch to herbal routes.

It's not obvious that herbs aren't working for him. He could very well be herxing from the herbs. He went at it pretty hard and heavy...not what I'd call a real slow titration up.

If Mike chooses to switch to antibiotics, he will be fully supported.
Posted 12/21/2016 8:34 PM (GMT 0)
Just Mike,

I know all about the 'becoming more beautiful' as the years go by. My husband is always telling me how beautiful I am and I'm thinking- his eyesight must be dimming. HAHAHAHA But it's like you say, the inside, the time together, the memories- the appreciation of all that has been shared ( mind you, I have never been on the wild adventures that you and Trish have been on hahahahaha).

Your heart is full of gratefulness in spite of what the two of you are going through. That is half the battle.

I am also full of greatefulness. This disease provides us with 20/20 vision as to what our priorities in life are. The little things have become the big things. Joy is at every corner because we are open to it. We have become brave warriors. We have been forced to slow down. That is a gift in itself.

I made apple pies for the first time in two years yesterday. I couldn't handle a knife to cut the apples. Now I can. I'm so excited.

You have a good attitude. Don't beat yourself up over anything. From your postings it is obvious that you are a good man and that Trish is an amazing lady. You are a nice looking couple.

I am also blessed with a good man. He is a little overprotective but learning to relax more. Traveler made me understand that he was being a little difficult with me because he was afraid of losing me. Traveler actually literally saved his neck with that explanation. Hahahahahahahahahahaha

By the way, I am female. My name Buzz Lyme year is from my children's favorite movie of all time: Toy Story. As well as one of their fave rides at Disney. We have watched that movie a hundred times. I chose Buzz as my Lymie name because Buzz is my favorite character.

Take care and all the best to you and yours. Everything will fall into place.
Posted 12/21/2016 8:53 PM (GMT 0)
Girlie,
I never said you pushed one or the other. In his first post he said something like "I know Traveler and Girlie are going to spank me!". I'm telling him why is he worried about about what you guys are going to say or do when it's his life, choice and money? Your situation is not his and vice versa.

And yes this board is definitely herbal/natural leaning. Almost every post is about something natural. It's ok if you don't see it but please don't tell me otherwise. I think I'm one of the few people that ever ask about antibiotics and when i do I only get a few responses versus the many that ask about herbal things and get like 20-40 responses.

And judging by his posts and comments throughout this thread it does not sound like a herx. He is not complaining about pain, but moreso his treatment plan not working and the amount of money he's spending is too much. He says this in his first post.
Posted 12/21/2016 9:00 PM (GMT 0)
Core Buhner is not that expensive if you buy in bulk and fill you own capsules. Much cheaper then antibiotics per month, even without additional cost of probiotics.
As far as I understand herbs work by cytokine re-modulation and starving lyme out, which might take years.

That's said my opinion is that they both have to combined for the best results (plus diet, detoxing, meditation and proper rest of course)
Posted 12/21/2016 10:58 PM (GMT 0)
I sure hope I am not stepping on ANYONE's feelings or anything else here BUT-
I have NO favorites to any course of treatment. I also have no person I favor for advise and sure hope NOBODY gets stirred up due to my attempts at humor about my "girls here" spanking me! I am what some might call a nut. My wife calls me her royal pain in the well a place I NEVER say makes her jeans look too tight anymore!

Years working for assorted Police departments built in me a strange persona I used far too many times to attempt to diffuse many life & death situations in the field. But that was face to face where my voice tone and facial gestures made CLEAR what I was saying. Online? Not so much...

Traveler & Girlie have told me several times that they recommend I stop for a day or two or back off. I obey these times. But I did NOT about starting slow. I think from my first dose too my first full dose, less than or close to only 10 days had passed which make me a BAD boy and I admit likely irresponsible. But at age 68 with so MANY "wounds" to this very broken body, I don't have TIME to be patient as some. I also have to deal with the reality that I would honestly welcome doing a face plant and never waking up. But because Trish cries every single time I have asked her to please just sit with me and hold my hand so I could "let go" on this like and move onto a physical & mental PEACE I so long for, well, here I sit. The old broad cries and I fold up. She doesn't play fair.

My point is, I very much respect ALL opinions and direction by EVERYONE here and weigh each & everything said and do what I myself feels is best for me. I also very much WELCOME opinions I don't agree withsmile I just wish for everyone here to be nice and supportive of each other even if we thing the other person is NUTZ! This is the only family I have now and would ask to stay even if I found some sudden miracle cure. JUST to tease the many friends I have met here.

Just want everyone to know, I don't even tell Blue I think he/she is crazy though I KNEW they were all these weeks. Till just about a week ago when discovering they (I HAVE to call him or her "they" since I never know if it is a man or woman!) just might have stumbled upon the most sensible treatment option for me after all? But I showed Trish and she says I AM crazy if I ever expect HER to hold a live be up to me to sting me 10 times. She thinks I will break free in a flashback and choke hersmile I explain I didn't need any dumb old flashback to choke her. besides. I can't CATCH the old girl anyway!

Just want everyone I value ALL opinions from all sides. All who know we by now know I'm gonna cheat anyway right? tongue
Posted 12/21/2016 11:23 PM (GMT 0)

Olesver said...
Core Buhner is not that expensive if you buy in bulk and fill you own capsules. Much cheaper then antibiotics per month, even without additional cost of probiotics.
As far as I understand herbs work by cytokine re-modulation and starving lyme out, which might take years.

That's said my opinion is that they both have to combined for the best results (plus diet, detoxing, meditation and proper rest of course)

I found that very true now that Trish and I have assembled almost 10000 (yeah THOUSAND) size 0 capsules no from the 1 pound bulk powders I bought from assorted sellers. But my GOD the work involved! With my back & neck fusions I can barely turn my head or look up or down and it just hurts SO BAD! Anyway, bought both brands of pill machines and ironically we now both just do one at a time by hand and find that much faster. THAT was a big surprise..Also when I factored in the cost of buying the herb powders, capsules, TIME to make them and here is the REAL problem for me, the CHOKING when I take a little over 100 pills each & every day? The Tinctures are what I went back to just last week. Sticker shock and all.

Some may not have such a problem choking as I do? I wonder if my issue is that when they fused my neck a few years ago at C5 to C6 they did it anterior, from the front and literally cut my throat. Never bothered me before and I lean to believing the problem isn't likely from that but maybe just the AMOUNT of pills are literally causing damage? Either way and whatever it is, I just can't STAND to gag on these things any longer. Oh and I also tried 1 size smaller but that of course, just meant twice as much work to MAKE as well as swallow double the pills! I know, suck it up and be a man....

Anyway, we sort of decided to just stop a few of if not most of the millions supplements we were buying to help pay for the extra cost of going back to the Tinctures. ESPECIALLY with the better pricing I get with Hawaii Pharm when I buy my usual large orders. Big decision now is if I am going to stop taking EVERYTHING or just take a day or two off when I begin my all new Wahls Protocol (her toughest option #3 version) diet. Trust me I HONOR commitment and when I first began juicing 3 years ago I was faithful and lost over 50 pounds in 6 months and KEPT it off! Then Trish called me her Popeye the Muscle Man so I started making my own (and drinkin ALL of it too!) Dark Beers and THAT showed the old BAT.
devil devil devil devil

So I/we expect to burn through all this holiday food she had already bought and just after the first of Jan some time I will begin my all new life. I have read (true or not, who knows?) I think 5 people on Amazon reviews of this book with Lyme who seem to believe it have cleared them up all alone?. Common sense lens ME to at least hope to feel a bit better in 1 month just from the eating of better foods. How I live without my 16 ounch mug of coffee with my 1 cup of salted mixed nuts AND 10 pieces of those Costco little p'nut butter with a salty square pretzel like covering on it? Well they could be bloodshed taking THAT away? That is all I eat till 2PM when I take my pain meds with 3/4 of a Costco Muffing with my 12 ounces of Milk Kefir Trish Makes herself thanks to Traveler. Then whatever tiny dinner Trish makes around 7PM when she gets home. This is gonna hurt. cry
Posted 12/21/2016 11:43 PM (GMT 0)
afiya4health - I think a thing to consider in the dynamic here in relation to herbs is the complexity of getting treatment. For some here, anti-biotics aren't an option. I did not test CDC positive in my blood work, the IDD thought given that I don't have lyme. My insurance company wouldn't cover anti-biotics without a CDC positive Western Blot. My GP supports me in this lyme protocol because it seems to make sense to her, but she made it very clear, she wouldn't be giving me anti-biotics. I myself have never felt pushed to go herbal. It was my ONLY option. I chose Buhner's approach because it resonated with me and it was the least costly of all the herbal protocols I looked at. Yes, this is a costly endeavor, getting well. I can't afford an LLMD and have had to figure it out with help here and my own research. I think also, people on the boards are doing what works for them, and what they have resources for. I certainly don't push herbs, but am here as a voice, for anyone who can't afford a Lyme literate Dr., isn't CDC positive, and herbs and good nutrition are the only options. It is working for me.. slowly... Also, in terms of cost, once you get the point where you are making your own tinctures, it definitely isn't into hundreds of dollars a month. Zhang's herbs...now those are too pricey for me...
Posted 12/21/2016 11:48 PM (GMT 0)
multifacetedme- How long did it take for you to get to 90% where you are today? And I KNOW we are ALL totally different! Why just look at me, a MAN with a Mastectomy of my left breast? But hey, that still allows me to be a "Boob". Only half as good (or bad) as I used to be I guess?
Posted 12/22/2016 12:38 AM (GMT 0)

afiya4health said...
Girlie,
I never said you pushed one or the other. In his first post he said something like "I know Traveler and Girlie are going to spank me!". I'm telling him why is he worried about about what you guys are going to say or do when it's his life, choice and money? Your situation is not his and vice versa.

And yes this board is definitely herbal/natural leaning. Almost every post is about something natural. It's ok if you don't see it but please don't tell me otherwise. I think I'm one of the few people that ever ask about antibiotics and when i do I only get a few responses versus the many that ask about herbal things and get like 20-40 responses.

And judging by his posts and comments throughout this thread it does not sound like a herx. He is not complaining about pain, but moreso his treatment plan not working and the amount of money he's spending is too much. He says this in his first post.

You did say "Stop looking at what Traveler and Girlie are doing. It's your money, your health AND you mentioned that your wife has cancer and you've been taking money out of her retirement? Stop."

What am I doing then that you want him to stop looking at?

Pain is not the only sign of a herx. An increase in and/or new symptoms can be herxing.

Also, did you see my post about ordering antibiotics online?
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