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Posted 1/3/2017 10:16 PM (GMT 0)
I did a video on Ivermectin use today if anyone is interested. It can be found at

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml82fUJF6bU

I made an adjustment to the protocol reducing the days off from 10 to 7 days off.
Posted 1/3/2017 10:39 PM (GMT 0)
Chickenarise, I just watched the video link of yours on Ivermectin use and I have a question.

I watched the video with full attention and read your 'show more'.

If the parasites, etc., are not killed by the ivermectin, but rather are paralyzed by it so that they release their grip, then why would there be a die off endotoxin release and possible herx reaction?
Posted 1/4/2017 2:32 AM (GMT 0)
Good job chxarise ...keep it up
Posted 1/4/2017 5:01 AM (GMT 0)
Update:

After running Ivermectin and MMS, I was feeling constant pain. Around Chirstmas, I felt like I just needed to get away. I planned to go to go visit my Dad;s house in another state. Only on the 26th, I woke up too flared up to drive by myself. My wife and the kids decided to come with me and after a very painful 10 hrs in the car, we made it.

I made tremendous progress the 6 days I was gone. Every day my pain and inflammation gradually lessened. 2 days I woke up pain free and clear headed. I was even able to shoot clays with a 12 guage and the next morning, I was pain free and felt like a new man! That day I drove back home feeling great, not at all like the hellish condition I was in before I left.

Upon arriving home, after 6 days gone, the smell in my house was disgusting. A very musty moldy odor, even though I left the dehumidifier to come on when it got over 75% humidity. Am I just used to the smell and don't notice it unless I leave the house for days? I immediately thought that maybe mold in my environment has been a big factor in why I have felt so bad. Sure enough the next morning, I woke up in my bedroom with the old familiar flares back again. Also, muscles are twitching again, which had stopped on vacation.

Opinions? Has mold been messing me up all along? Any one know an affordable mold inspector in the Charleston, SC area?
Posted 1/4/2017 8:34 PM (GMT 0)

julymorning said...
Chickenarise, I just watched the video link of yours on Ivermectin use and I have a question.

I watched the video with full attention and read your 'show more'.

If the parasites, etc., are not killed by the ivermectin, but rather are paralyzed by it so that they release their grip, then why would there be a die off endotoxin release and possible herx reaction?

This is the question myself and bdavis have been addressing. I have not yet found a suitable answer. Not even a speculation that makes sense.

There are parasites that Ivermectin use wont resolve (tapeworm etc.) But is it slightly affected? Does it become defensive under threat? Is it an immunity? What about the others like tapeworm? Do the non paralyzed parasites attempt to migrate away from the Ivermectin all at once? Is this what some of us are feeling?

Also Ive heard stories of weaponized biology and with my brother getting full blown Morgellons I am pondering some very tough questions. I don't mean to startle anyone but is the majority of the human race all infected with something latent that just needs a trigger (like mold)? Where is it coming from and is it stranger than fiction?

bdavis said...

Has mold been messing me up all along? Any one know an affordable mold inspector in the Charleston, SC area??

Mold exposure caused my system to go haywire. It was a lot of mold but I have to consider that the WIFI may be making it much worse. Nothing should be glossed over or ruled out.

I never had a Lyme Symptom prior to the massive mold exposure. What is the connection?

I believe there is a good chance that I had some level of nematode prior to the mold. I know now what a fungal infection is and that I have had a few throughout my life that were literally glossed over by US doctors.

Yet this mold (and it was a lot of mold over a long period) was the straw that broke the camel's back.

The new home mold weakened my immune system so greatly that the opportunistic infections got the upper hand and flourished.

I have been battling mold continuously so I don't have to find a new home to live in because I really do like it here.

It remains to be seen if the Concrobium Mold Control spray, exhaust fan, non stop dehumidifier, intermittent ozone treatments (in the house), hepa filters, and bee propolis vaporizer can decontaminate this building.

I have made great strides in improvement and healing, yet I wonder if I will have to move. Where will I go? I have to try but I may have to admit defeat at some point.

These mini vacations away from our home may give us the answers to these questions. We are desensitized to the ability to detect odors in our environment. It only takes 20 minutes to become desensitized to dangerous levels of ozone.

This is one of the many reasons I keep a daily health and symptoms diary, where I log medications, supplements, treatments, how and what I feel on a daily basis. I am looking for clues, patterns, and anything I can deduce.

I have figured out more that the doctors I have dealt with ever have solved for me although the universe has at times acted through some of the doctors in my behalf.

The prescriptions for Terbinafine and Nitazoxanide (Alinia) may have been critical additions from doctors actions, but everything else including where to look for insight and information and to obtain the medications and supplements that I need have been from this guiding force that has led me to key medical journal publications, internet articles, and persons like the fine intelligent people here at the Healingwell Lyme forum who provide their experiences, guidance, theories, and feedback.

Just the willingness to share and even the speculations of members have been extremely helpful. You have no idea how much I appreciate each interaction I have with each of you whether on the giving or receiving end. I promise to pay if forward as much as I can.

So please, don't ever think that what you have to share is not valuable because it just may be the key that eventually helps us achieve or nudge us in the direction of an epiphany or major breakthrough.

And forgive our disagreements, stubbornness, ignorance, and dissenting viewpoints when we have them and we will all benefit. Peace and Love to you all.

Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 1/4/2017 2:15:51 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 1/4/2017 8:41 PM (GMT 0)

bdavis said...
Update:

After running Ivermectin and MMS, I was feeling constant pain. Around Chirstmas, I felt like I just needed to get away. I planned to go to go visit my Dad;s house in another state. Only on the 26th, I woke up too flared up to drive by myself. My wife and the kids decided to come with me and after a very painful 10 hrs in the car, we made it.

I made tremendous progress the 6 days I was gone. Every day my pain and inflammation gradually lessened. 2 days I woke up pain free and clear headed. I was even able to shoot clays with a 12 guage and the next morning, I was pain free and felt like a new man! That day I drove back home feeling great, not at all like the hellish condition I was in before I left.

Upon arriving home, after 6 days gone, the smell in my house was disgusting. A very musty moldy odor, even though I left the dehumidifier to come on when it got over 75% humidity. Am I just used to the smell and don't notice it unless I leave the house for days? I immediately thought that maybe mold in my environment has been a big factor in why I have felt so bad. Sure enough the next morning, I woke up in my bedroom with the old familiar flares back again. Also, muscles are twitching again, which had stopped on vacation.

Opinions? Has mold been messing me up all along? Any one know an affordable mold inspector in the Charleston, SC area?

I'd run a ERMI home mold test ASAP.

Alternatively, find a local mold inspector.

It's suspicious when you feel much better away from your house.
Posted 1/5/2017 10:27 AM (GMT 0)

bdavis said...

Opinions? Has mold been messing me up all along? Any one know an affordable mold inspector in the Charleston, SC area?

Yes
Posted 1/5/2017 2:46 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the advice everyone. I have a mold inspector coming out tomorrow. These are my mold antibody levels that were taken January 2016 that originally alerted me to a possible mold problem:

IgG Chaetomium globosum result: 3.0 mcg/ml High reference interval: 0.0 - 1.9
IgG Stachybotrys atra result: 5.2 mcg/ml High reference interval: 0.0 - 1.9

HERE IS WHATS REALLY INTERESTING

I mentioned that the flares subsided when I left home and came back when I got back home. Yes they are back, but before I primarily had flares in my tendons. Now, they are all in my joints (knuckles, PIP joints, DIP joints and feet). Despite all the pain and agony, the MMS and/or Ivermectin (I used them concurrently) did something. It has pushed the inflammation out of my tendons, possibly cleared some pathogen out of them, but now my joints are worse. Was it an amoeba of some kind that felt threatened by the chlorine dioxide and ivermectin and now has a new preferred location in my body? I have no idea but something changed.
Posted 1/8/2017 1:14 AM (GMT 0)
Update:

Tendons began flaring again. Jaw flared and won't close along with 7 other areas.

I had the mold tester out yesterday. He forgot his moisture gun which sucks. However he sniffed out mold in my master bedroom, and visually found it in my attic, and multiple kinds of mold in my crawlspace on the subfloor and joists, directly under the bedroom where the smell was strongest, and all over the place under there. The air tests will take a few days to get results back, but I am not optimistic. Based on how I've felt since coming home and how I felt while away, I know what I have to do. Don't know exactly how we will do it but we are getting out of here. I am not going to stay here and let this place kill me. Just hope my body and mind hold out until I can figure out where to go and how to do this.
Posted 1/8/2017 1:34 AM (GMT 0)
I don't know what to think about the mold issue. Yes I have had huge exposures to various kinds, probably in each of the 4 homes I've lived in the past 33 years during and since Lyme illness began.
Except for maybe one which was a new little house that no one else had lived in before me, but it was situated in the middle of hay fields, and here in MIssouri, which is notoriously bad for environmental mold.

But also throughout that time I had high functioning remissions even when mold was at it's worst. And remember, I was un-diagnosed until only recently, and therefore no direct treatments.

Although my lung problems have been progressive since first becoming infected. Very slowly until 2014, and then skyrocketed.

The idea that some of us react badly with mold around while it doesn't bother others has to be an issue that needs to take time into consideration. Again with my word of the day, "accumulative".
Posted 1/8/2017 2:42 AM (GMT 0)
I've never had any real respiratory issues other than couching up a lot of phlegm for the first few hours of the day (this subsided while I was away from home).

However, this morning, I had a dream where I got pinned under water by a semi truck and couldn't breath. I woke up sucking air like I really had stopped breathing in my sleep. Not sure what to make of it.
Posted 1/8/2017 2:52 AM (GMT 0)

bdavis said...
I've never had any real respiratory issues other than couching up a lot of phlegm for the first few hours of the day (this subsided while I was away from home).

However, this morning, I had a dream where I got pinned under water by a semi truck and couldn't breath. I woke up sucking air like I really had stopped breathing in my sleep. Not sure what to make of it.



You might have, bdavis. I've had to wear those home sleep monitoring wrist devices twice, and am recording approximately 3 times an hour average, where I stopped breathing. My o2 level is very low, and even lower at night. So I have oxygen at night, and thought I was going to get a Cpap as well, but after an in hospital sleep study they said I don't need one.

I do not snore as a rule, but if my tonsils are swollen, or I am very congested in my nose, I will briefly wake myself up with a weird kind of snort and gasp for breath.
Posted 1/10/2017 1:29 AM (GMT 0)
As I am looking into Febendazole it also doesnt directly kill nematodes.

It only makes it so the other nematodes that are too big for Ivermectin cannot process Glucose and it starves them.

Now I wonder what does kill? Whatever kills stuff is what I want to save for last.
Posted 1/10/2017 4:16 AM (GMT 0)
Chickenarise- if you are anywhere near St. Louis I would go to a clinic Prevention and Healing-that doc treats parasites all the time with some amazing results. In his book he writes about treating over 10,000 people for parasites in South America-lots of experience
Posted 1/10/2017 11:59 AM (GMT 0)

magoo2 said...
Chickenarise- if you are anywhere near St. Louis I would go to a clinic Prevention and Healing-that doc treats parasites all the time with some amazing results. In his book he writes about treating over 10,000 people for parasites in South America-lots of experience


Im in Panama. If you would like to get in touch, my email is in the profile. That applies to anyone on this forum.

Im testing Febendazol for allergy. What a messy "paste" this one is. It is in a tube with something like the consistency of milk. It says that its in milk on the package. So after making a big mess trying to use a gram scale and cracker I am using the meter on the tube and shot a little bit in the morning coffee. It has no taste.

I will likely start a new thread on this a little later on.
Posted 3/2/2018 5:13 AM (GMT 0)
interesting about the ivermectin

eva sapi notes that ivermectin treatment has worked very well with some lyme patients.
Posted 3/2/2018 7:37 AM (GMT 0)
Here's something I posted in another thread, regarding Ivermectin:

The Dude Abides said...

In an e-mail exchange with a Naturopath (I'm not under his care, it was just a casual conversation), we were discussing parasites. He suggested the following for me:

"Parasites can easily be killed by Ivermectin. The UN has said that very safe med has saved millions of human lives in the tropics. As usual, US medicine wants you to need several meds and many office visits to get rid of an infestation. If you go to www.jeffersequine.com, you can get the livestock / pet Ivermectin that’s exactly the same as the human medication. Drink or inject 1 ml per 100 pounds of weight. In 2 days, 97% of all parasites will be dead. In two weeks, repeat the therapy to get the remaining 3% that just hatched. That gets done once a year. We use the same Ivermectin on ourselves that we use on our horses, goats, and dogs."

I'm not sure about two courses of Ivermectin killing 100% of ALL types of parasites - I'm just quoting what was written to me.
Posted 3/2/2018 1:21 PM (GMT 0)
there are several approaches to wiping out parasites but most LLMD's will pulse them and some will rotate as well. the more popular ones are Biltricide, Ivermectin, Albedndazole and Alina. I'm doing Alinia and when that doesn't do anything anymore will rotate to Ivermectin then Albendazole.

A few LLMD's will have you take a few of these at a time including herb options like Artemisinin.
Posted 3/2/2018 2:56 PM (GMT 0)

The Dude Abides said...
Here's something I posted in another thread, regarding Ivermectin:

The Dude Abides said...

In an e-mail exchange with a Naturopath (I'm not under his care, it was just a casual conversation), we were discussing parasites. He suggested the following for me:

"Parasites can easily be killed by Ivermectin. The UN has said that very safe med has saved millions of human lives in the tropics. As usual, US medicine wants you to need several meds and many office visits to get rid of an infestation. If you go to www.jeffersequine.com, you can get the livestock / pet Ivermectin that’s exactly the same as the human medication. Drink or inject 1 ml per 100 pounds of weight. In 2 days, 97% of all parasites will be dead. In two weeks, repeat the therapy to get the remaining 3% that just hatched. That gets done once a year. We use the same Ivermectin on ourselves that we use on our horses, goats, and dogs."

I'm not sure about two courses of Ivermectin killing 100% of ALL types of parasites - I'm just quoting what was written to me.

thanks, babesia is a blood born parasite, so it seems iver would be affective against it.

also, Mcdonald claims the lyme spiro carries parasites that cause Filariasis, these then invade the brain eventually which cause dementia/alzheimers, etc.

artemesia is another anti parasite herb, and it crosses the blood brain barrier. Seems like if you have treatment resistatn lyme, both of these would be a good thing to try.
Posted 9/11/2018 7:33 PM (GMT 0)
Bump
Posted 9/11/2018 8:28 PM (GMT 0)
I did the ivermectin and it worked for me with my antibiotic/herb protocol. My neurological symptons are gone. I also did moxidectin, but it was to strong and I could only do 1/3 dosage. It is killing something, big time. I have to space out the treatment to every two weeks.

As an experiment, I did cloves. Remember clove cigarettes? Banned by Obama. You can buy cloves at the store and I have a tobacco pipe. It works against parasites. They start to move and you can identify where they are at. I have one in both my arms, my leg, ... and one in my neck.

I think Ivermectin, Alinia, Moxidectin, and Cloves in pipe tobacco.. rotated for 6-12 weeks, should absolutely kill any type of parasite in my body (and mold). If that doesn't kill it I don't know what it could be. So this leaves the lyme by itself so I can start focusing on it.

Also I moved all of my animals 400+ ft from my house. I am going to take a grader and take 1" of soil around my house 100ft. Then I am going to spray Epsom salt (at toxic levels) and Abermectin (Advid) and then Permitherin 34%, Cross Bow, 2-4d, and roundup to kill anything around my house. Then, plant herbs. I am going to deworm all my animals and rotate them in areas with herbs growing -- as a long term solution. Basically this is war. That and rat traps with one bite. This should significantly stop any future parasite/lyme vector.
Posted 9/11/2018 10:46 PM (GMT 0)

oregonhay said...
I did the ivermectin and it worked for me with my antibiotic/herb protocol. My neurological symptons are gone. I also did moxidectin, but it was to strong and I could only do 1/3 dosage. It is killing something, big time. I have to space out the treatment to every two weeks.

As an experiment, I did cloves. Remember clove cigarettes? Banned by Obama. You can buy cloves at the store and I have a tobacco pipe. It works against parasites. They start to move and you can identify where they are at. I have one in both my arms, my leg, ... and one in my neck.

I think Ivermectin, Alinia, Moxidectin, and Cloves in pipe tobacco.. rotated for 6-12 weeks, should absolutely kill any type of parasite in my body (and mold). If that doesn't kill it I don't know what it could be. So this leaves the lyme by itself so I can start focusing on it.

Also I moved all of my animals 400+ ft from my house. I am going to take a grader and take 1" of soil around my house 100ft. Then I am going to spray Epsom salt (at toxic levels) and Abermectin (Advid) and then Permitherin 34%, Cross Bow, 2-4d, and roundup to kill anything around my house. Then, plant herbs. I am going to deworm all my animals and rotate them in areas with herbs growing -- as a long term solution. Basically this is war. That and rat traps with one bite. This should significantly stop any future parasite/lyme vector.

You’re going to plant herbs in the soil you treated with 2-4d and roundup ?
Posted 9/11/2018 10:56 PM (GMT 0)
Aren't guinea hens supposed to be good for eating ticks? Personally I'd want an army of those suckers if I lived in a place with lots of ticks.

Ivermectin is so amazing. One of the most effective drugs I ever took, I think it really hit my babesia/babs like organism. I had to pace that med because the herxes were like getting struck by a sledgehammer. I'm not familiar with moxidectin... sounds like a powerful drug, could be effective for babesia as well I imagine.

Question: smoking cloves, is this an effective way of getting therapeutic doses? pretty sure there are capsules and oil tinctures out there.
Posted 9/11/2018 11:06 PM (GMT 0)

sebreg said...
Aren't guinea hens supposed to be good for eating ticks? Personally I'd want an army of those suckers if I lived in a place with lots of ticks.

Ivermectin is so amazing. One of the most effective drugs I ever took, I think it really hit my babesia/babs like organism. I had to pace that med because the herxes were like getting struck by a sledgehammer. I'm not familiar with moxidectin... sounds like a powerful drug, could be effective for babesia as well I imagine.

Question: smoking cloves, is this an effective way of getting therapeutic doses? pretty sure there are capsules and oil tinctures out there.

Sebreg - did you take Alinia? And if so - did it help?
Posted 9/11/2018 11:48 PM (GMT 0)
yeah it did! I wasn't on it a long time, I'd like to revisit it. I trialed some some months back and it was still effective for me, caused herxing but not at crazy levels. I do think it is hitting babesia in my case.

You recently started taking it right?
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