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Posted 3/8/2017 7:40 PM (GMT 0)
What is the best herbs for getting rid of Babesia & Bartonella?
Posted 3/8/2017 7:51 PM (GMT 0)
I can't say which are best, but here are some of the Buhner herbs.


Bart - JK, Houttuynia, Sida Acuta,L-Arginine, Isatis, alchornea

Babs - Cryptolepis, Sida acuta, Bidens Pilosa



Also, separate from Buhner - you could take Artemisinin for the Babesia.
Posted 3/8/2017 7:57 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks Girlie,

What is the order of importance?
Posted 3/8/2017 8:08 PM (GMT 0)

Drez said...
Thanks Girlie,

What is the order of importance?

Do you mean herbally importance or infection importance?
Posted 3/8/2017 8:18 PM (GMT 0)
I mean, if I had to start with one first then move down the list which one is best???? I've just started Buhner core protocol and I'm just now up to 10 drops of Jap Knotweed so gonna start Cat's Claw tomorrow. So how soon until I add possibly 1 herb for Babesia and Bartonella???? Advice please.
Posted 3/8/2017 8:36 PM (GMT 0)
Oh...I think Buhner's core protocol mainly addresses Lyme, but some on it also hit Bart and Babs somewhat too.

You should stick to the main core protocol....if there is any indication you have Lyme.....and I think 3-4 days on the next on the list. Cat's Claw can sneak up on you.

I would concentrate on one organism at a time, until your (mainly) Lyme symptoms have taken a back seat to one of the other infections. Just my opinion.
Posted 3/8/2017 8:40 PM (GMT 0)
I've read that you recently relapsed and that you were taken off herbs.

Have you figured out which organism is hitting you right now? Or all 3 of the 3 'B's'?
Posted 3/8/2017 9:00 PM (GMT 0)

julymorning said...
I've read that you recently relapsed and that you were taken off herbs.

Have you figured out which organism is hitting you right now? Or all 3 of the 3 'B's'?

Ya, I'm not really sure. It seems like all my symptoms have come back. One of my worst is insomnia. I've tried everything ( valerian root, melatonin, CBD Oil,....etc ) I've been on Ambien but doesn't do much. I've just been put on low dose Seroquel.

As others have mentioned since tests are not reliable its better just to treat all there "B's". So having just started Buhner's protocol I wasn't sure if I could add in one herb to start to get rid of Babesia and Bartonella????
Posted 3/8/2017 9:04 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, treat the three B's.

But, you need to slowly add in the herbs..one at a time for the core...and work up to adding the herbs for the co-infections. Don't rush adding in the coinfection herbs.

There is some overlap, though.

JK is good for Lyme and Bart.

Sida acuta is good for Bart and Babs.

But, you're not far into the Lyme core protocol...so get those herbs in at low dose, then over time increase them...before adding in the co-infection herbs.

I would stay at just the Lyme core protocol for awhile...if I were you...as in a few months.
Posted 3/8/2017 9:09 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
Yes, treat the three B's.

But, you need to slowly add in the herbs..one at a time for the core...and work up to adding the herbs for the co-infections. Don't rush adding in the coinfection herbs.

There is some overlap, though.

JK is good for Lyme and Bart.

Sida acuta is good for Bart and Babs.

But, you're not far into the Lyme core protocol...so get those herbs in at low dose, then over time increase them...before adding in the co-infection herbs.

I would stay at just the Lyme core protocol for awhile...if I were you...as in a few months.

Thanks Girlie. That's what I plan on doing. I just wanna see some results quickly....as everyone knows being sick SUCKS......and I just want some relief. How many herbs in to protocol do I need to get to to start to see some significant improvement?????
Posted 3/8/2017 9:11 PM (GMT 0)
If you go back to the full core Lyme protocol some of them will hit the other two as well.

I've suggested this tea before, and probably will continue to because I bought some for a close friend that has the worse insomnia of anyone I ever knew. It's an herbal tea called "Nighty Night". You can google it for ingredients but they're all natural and GMO free, and contain herbs recommended here on the forum.

My friend still swears it helps him a lot.
Posted 3/8/2017 9:16 PM (GMT 0)
Drez, your personal response to the herbs will be different than anyone else's, for almost too many reasons to explain, other than we and our infections are different even when they are the same infections.

I think 3-4 months on the core protocol ought to give you some kind of relief - somewhere. I wouldn't expect significant improvement that really lasts, any sooner than that. And you will want to stick with it for a couple of months past all symptom clearance just to make sure.

You can however add in other herbs a few weeks after you're sure you're handling the core well...just make sure you aren't doubling up something unawares. Buhner writes out an extended herb recommendation after the core to target specific areas of concern.

I'm referring to what he has in his Healing Lyme 2nd edition.
Posted 3/8/2017 9:29 PM (GMT 0)

julymorning said...
If you go back to the full core Lyme protocol some of them will hit the other two as well.

I've suggested this tea before, and probably will continue to because I bought some for a close friend that has the worse insomnia of anyone I ever knew. It's an herbal tea called "Nighty Night". You can google it for ingredients but they're all natural and GMO free, and contain herbs recommended here on the forum.

My friend still swears it helps him a lot.

I bought some the night I read your response with regards to helping with insomnia. It didn't do much for me. How many nights in a row do I need to give it??? Did you friend have any input on that?
Posted 3/8/2017 9:44 PM (GMT 0)
He actually got to sleep the first night. He said he did wake up once or twice because of the dogs but he went right back to sleep.

I'm sorry it didn't help you. As I said, we don't all respond as well to the same things. That's a very unfortunate fact. If we did it would sure make getting better from these infections a whole lot easier on all of us.
Posted 3/9/2017 12:46 AM (GMT 0)
Hey,

I do like the herbs that Girlie mentioned. I think the quality of the herbs and the consistency of your protocol scheduling will be more important than which herbs you settle for.

If you pick a handful of anti-microbials that have been positively reviewed by others (there are enough of us guinea pigs updating each other and what's worked for us at this point), and you come up with your own pulsing calendar, try to stick to it and re-evaluate in a few weeks. Always be re-evaluating!

I personally came up with a regime where I started my morning off with a tablespoon of manuka honey ("breaking the fast" means IMO not worrying about a sugar spike), half hour later, doing round one of antimicrobials before breakfast, then another round before lunch, and then at the end of the night focusing on gut by adding in probiotics. If you'd like to fit enzymes in there too, I think find another time away from all of these to add those in.

No one knows excatly what works best. But I do think that those of us who can find ourselves gleefully in remission have been consistent and patient, as well as intuitive about whether or not something is actually working despite what our doctors and Lyme gurus have suggested.
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