Sexually transmitted? ???!!

I would say the majority of people on this forum will agree that it is sexually transmitted. I believe that it can be, and Stephen Buhner, author of "Healing Lyme" says it can be. He even says it could be transmitted thru saliva. If it is structurally made up like Syphilis, and the Lyme bacteria is present in the blood, it sure does make sense to me that it could be transmitted that way.

can syphilis which is a bacteria be sexually transmitted? yup so why couldn't lyme? its unbelievable that the mainstream medical community thinks this is unknown or say there's no solid evidence at this time. actually its not unbelievable since they don't believe that chronic lyme even exists.

i gave it to my wife and i don't think the symptoms showed up for about 6 months when she got major stress from her job at the time then all hell broke loose and she's been ill almost a year. hard to say exactly when she got it but the timelines of me being sick then her correlate fairly well.

my wife before lyme was healthy as a horse. never a cold, never on medication, when she got sick she bounced back in half the time of others. lyme has literally destroyed all that. that's how disabling this disease can be.

i would take this very seriously and think about introducing protection.

We don't know how my husband got lyme. Either from me or out in the back yard. We saw no bull's eye rash, and no ticks. He did have what he thought was a mosquito bite.

He got lyme 8 months after I was healed. He is still treating and is almost all well, thank the Lord.

He knew lyme symptoms because of me and we really jumped on his lyme more quickly with treatment because of the familiarity.

Hi mm57553 -

Yes Dr H suggests the chances of sexual transmission are "slim to none" but most LLMDs disagree with him. Imagine the "numbers" that could be found in the saliva gland of a tick... and the fluids found in the vaginal cavity or semen sample. I'm not sure why he promotes this rather than caution to be careful.

-p

Pirouette said...
Hi mm57553 -

Yes Dr H suggests the chances of sexual transmission are "slim to none" but most LLMDs disagree with him. Imagine the "numbers" that could be found in the saliva gland of a tick... and the fluids found in the vaginal cavity or semen sample. I'm not sure why he promotes this rather than caution to be careful.

-p

I think the difference is that when transmitted from a tick, the bacteria is injected directly into your bloodstream, where it travels quickly to every part of your body, many of which make great breeding grounds. That doesn't happen during sexual activity. So any bacteria is sort of confined to one area, and that area is not a favorable one for borrelia to thrive in. So between the very low numbers and the unfavorable environment, the chances of the bacteria being transmitted that way and surviving are very slim. At least that's the way I remember Dr. H explaining it in a podcast recently.

But I think it is definitely an unknown that needs a whole lot more research.

Honestly theres no proof either way. Just because Lyme is related to syphilis (despite being related they are fairly evolutionarily removed) doesn't mean it is an effective STD. Having a corkscrew shape does not guarantee sexual transmission. It's all about how the pathogen has adapted to manipulate host defenses during disease initiation and Lyme has a long evolutionary history with tick saliva helping it enter the host where as syphilis has specialized in human to human transmission. Of course this is just generalizations. This is what doctors like to parrot but that doesn't mean it can't go through other means, especially if some level of immune suppression occurs. Many bacteria are opportunistic and Lyme could certainly fall into that category if given the right context. It has been found in genital secretions. One of it's most ancient modes of transmission is through urine->grazing animal. So it's definitely active down there. And the study that found it in genital secretions also found examples where husband and wife had identical strains suggesting, but not proving, transmission. It could be that they got it because they lived in the same region. Who knows. But my advice is be seriously careful. I refuse to not use protection with my partner. I don't care if it's a 1% chance of transmission. Over the long haul 1% with the same partner is a near guarantee. And the disease is just too serious for me to be able to consciously gamble with. We did have unprotected sex a few times before i knew it was Lyme. Nothing happened. But that doesn't mean it wont

Yep my partner has spirochetes in blood with minor symptoms .also my mother has contracted from her husband . Docs are really clueless and its political ...watch under our skin and under the 8 ball documentarys to understand why

also imo the Renauds is just describing a lack of circulation in hands and feet which maybbe caused by lyme and or bartonella .the stings may help her too. She may have traded some pathogens to you too..

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Dr. J told me personally lyme and many of the co-infections can be transmitted sexually.

If you know you have lyme disease, is it unethical to get a new girlfriend or boyfriend? Isn't that the same thing as having sex with someone if you have AIDs or HIV?

I've read that not only is it transmittable by sex, but it can be transmitted through breathing in dehydrated spirochetes. So a bodily fluid that is dried and then inhaled can transmit the disease. There apparently government studies on this, and they found that this is possible.

My husband tested for Lyme - I believe he did the Igenex test - and came back that he'd been "exposed" to Lyme but that it wasn't any kind of concern. He has no symptoms at all. Whether he got it from me or at the same time on the same trip in Paris...who knows? The doctor seemed to indicate the jury's out. I am concerned for him, but I figure we just play it by ear and keep him healthy in the meantime ;)

WVMike - have your wife start on astragalus - it should protect her from getting Lyme from any source. Have her start with 1,000 mgs a day in divided doses. If she has any response at all (and I'd suggest she do this anyway since we are coming into the height of tick season) have her slowly move up to 3,000 mgs daily.

The facts are there to support that Lyme is sexually transmitted as well - as someone else said, it's been proven beyond a doubt that it's cousin spirochete, Syphilis, is sexually transmitted. I've read that the Lyme bacteria isn't quite as virulent when sexually transmitted (it doesn't happen always), but that the chances are high enough that anyone that we are having sex with should be protected - because, seriously, we are wishing it on them otherwise if we know and are not doing anything.

Assuming otherwise is burying our heads in the sand, just as IDSA does about their treatments and other aspects of this disease. We need to protect those around us - this is no different than doing tick checks on those we care about daily.

gfields said...
If you know you have lyme disease, is it unethical to get a new girlfriend or boyfriend? Isn't that the same thing as having sex with someone if you have AIDs or HIV?

I've read that not only is it transmittable by sex, but it can be transmitted through breathing in dehydrated spirochetes. So a bodily fluid that is dried and then inhaled can transmit the disease. There apparently government studies on this, and they found that this is possible.

i tried to tell a few partners i have lyme they seemed unconcerned .i think about how many "cigarettes" and straws" i shared with 100s of people in my rock days it breaks my heart . Even closest friends that have weird symptoms are just like its just ibs and hypoglycemia, or its just r.a. or its just reynauds ..but never go digging for the cause ...likely pathogenic ..

mike is your wife on immunosuppressive drugs or plaquinil ?