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Posted 6/5/2017 3:02 PM (GMT 0)
Which med or herb has been successful in treating your bart symptoms?

I see my LLMD this week and I want to confirm what he prescribes is right. I'm hoping to get off of antibiox and onto a total herbal protocol by the end of summer at latest. I don't feel the antiobiox I'm on are doing much now.
Posted 6/5/2017 3:18 PM (GMT 0)
For me, it was the Chronic Tonic and houttuynia that healed my Bart the first time. And while I'm using Buhner's this time, it's not going so well, and I may be going back the Chronic Tonic soon.

But, this will bump up the thread for those that have used abx for their Bartonella to see.
Posted 6/5/2017 3:25 PM (GMT 0)
Kat what are you taking for bart now?
Posted 6/5/2017 3:31 PM (GMT 0)
I recently started taking Sida Plus from woodlands essence. Seems to be effective, I think it is hitting my bart (or blo).
Posted 6/5/2017 4:01 PM (GMT 0)
I don't think I'm on anything for bart. I'm taking 200mg doxy 4 times a week (3 of those days with tinidazole) and samento.

Vit d, liver detox, probiotics, multivit, liposamol glutathione.

On my own added activated charcoal and red root.
Posted 6/5/2017 4:08 PM (GMT 0)
Doxy can hit bart for some but not considered a front line med. Tinidazole is good for hitting lyme and babs not known to be very potent for Bart.

I would push to get on Rifampin along with your Doxy that is a very popular combo for Bart.

Abx wise in order of effectiveness:

Levaquin (Cipro an alternative not as effective)
Rifabutin (Rifampin an alternative and more popular)
Bactrim
Posted 6/5/2017 5:36 PM (GMT 0)
Also - Is your doxy dose going to be raised to 200 twice daily at some point?

You are on half of the usual recommended dose.

I used Rifampin with biaxin...or minocycline. I did 'drop' some symptoms...
Posted 6/5/2017 6:17 PM (GMT 0)
Girlie - I will ask about doxy dose. I do want to know what "the plan" is.
Posted 6/9/2017 2:03 PM (GMT 0)
Since I've been on the doxy/tini combo for a couple of months, do you think I could ask to go with rifampin only for a few weeks? Does that make sense?
Posted 6/9/2017 2:49 PM (GMT 0)
you need more than one abx as they work together to weaken and kill the pathogens.

i would just ask for rifampin and doxy and you can pulse tinidazole on whatever schedule the doctor thinks is good. i only do tinidazole 2 days every 3 weeks others do 2,3 or 4 times a week. people also do daily but that's a lot if you ask me and they don't do it for long.
Posted 6/9/2017 3:01 PM (GMT 0)
I'm using the biopure 10 in 1. I think it might just be the most potent bug killer I have taken? Stronger than abx even.

Bart is still a beast, give it an inch and it will take a mile... meaning don't stop hammering it ever! Not sure why mine is so hard to fully clear out of my system.
Posted 6/9/2017 3:10 PM (GMT 0)
My tongue is looking funny and I've had flu/cold symptoms all week. Sinus and ear trouble. I'm worried about candida. sad I'll see if I can at least take a break from the tini for now. I'm also thinking about 2 weeks off all antibiox and using herbs only, then back to antibiox. I'll see what he says.

This is the second time I've been hit with sinus/flu since starting the antibiox, so in addition to yeast I'm worreid my immune system is being weakened.
Posted 6/9/2017 3:15 PM (GMT 0)
lymepickle, Dr. J in DC believes that if you are stuck trying to clear an infection after a long time than babesia is most likely blocking you. you don't even have to have any symptoms it can still block making good progress against other pathogens that are causing you symptoms.

i treated bart for almost a year and couldn't shake it. sure i made some progress but limited so he has me on a potent babesia protocol for 5-6 months to eradicate it then go back after bart.

my bart symptoms have all come back and i'm being drugged to keep them as much at bay as possible but this is a 2 steps back to take 3 steps forward thingy. i hope he's right.
Posted 6/9/2017 7:23 PM (GMT 0)
LLMD told me to take a break from the antibiox. He gave me vit a to take for a few days and I'm supposed to get a chest xray if not better by tomorrow.

Then back on samento, red root and he added houtunia (sp?) for the bart.

He said if I get a backlash I can go back on the antiobiox, but that right now my body is telling me I need a break. He also said to ramp up the glutathione.
Posted 6/10/2017 4:16 AM (GMT 0)

Kat1000 said...
Since I've been on the doxy/tini combo for a couple of months, do you think I could ask to go with rifampin only for a few weeks? Does that make sense?

i did riffy and zith for months 4 on 2 pulsed and it put a dent ...bvt with zhang hh2 and allicin and rife is putting a hurt on bart now .keep us posted
Posted 6/10/2017 11:18 AM (GMT 0)
Kat1000,
I have had good results in the last month Buhner Bart protocol on my own and LLMD added Bactrim to my azith and malarone.

Rikky1, I think Dr. J is correct about the Babesia, when I asked my llmd for more bart treatment, he did add the bactrim, but insisted we cant stop treating for babesia yet.

I have way more bart symptoms than babesia but he said many doctors don't treat long enough for babesia and miss it.


Hope you all see improvements soon.Take care, Jo
Posted 6/12/2017 2:56 PM (GMT 0)
I've had a good couple of days, and my cough is finally slowing down. I'm really hoping the houttuna helps the bart. Foot pain still there, especially in morning and after sitting, and occasionally I feel a tic, but I feel so much better than where I've been. I'm watching the skin mottling too to see if it gets worse or better.

I know I may end up back on antibiotics, but I'm going to enjoy the respite and really work on boosting my own immunity.
Posted 6/12/2017 4:31 PM (GMT 0)
i started up black cumin seed oil last week and boy did it kick my proverbial butt. i got a massive herx in my chest 'thumping' for a few days which is one of my main bart symptoms.

this stuff is the real deal.
Posted 6/12/2017 5:00 PM (GMT 0)
Rikky1 - I'll look into that! My throat has been sore from coughing, and I can't take a deep breathe. The dr told me to get a chest x-ray if not better, but my chest feels ok so I'm waiting a couple days.

I wonder if bart could make cold symptoms worse? I'm also wondering if it's candida, because last week was the first time my tongue has been coated.
Posted 6/12/2017 5:19 PM (GMT 0)

Kat1000 said...
Rikky1 - I'll look into that! My throat has been sore from coughing, and I can't take a deep breathe. The dr told me to get a chest x-ray if not better, but my chest feels ok so I'm waiting a couple days.

I wonder if bart could make cold symptoms worse? I'm also wondering if it's candida, because last week was the first time my tongue has been coated.

That could be babesia symptoms. (the cough)

If your tongue is white - you do need to address Candida as well.
Posted 6/12/2017 6:05 PM (GMT 0)

LymePickle said...
I'm using the biopure 10 in 1. I think it might just be the most potent bug killer I have taken? Stronger than abx even.

Bart is still a beast, give it an inch and it will take a mile... meaning don't stop hammering it ever! Not sure why mine is so hard to fully clear out of my system.

I took my last dose of biopure yesterday (what was left of the bottle) which was about 140 drops (the day before it I was at about 110 drops) and I had decent sleep last night, which is honestly surprising given how this stuff used to give me terrible insomnia and flu-like symptoms just from 10 drops a day. My anxiety is somewhat non-existent now and I would sometimes forget to take any herbs for anxiety just because of how calm I am (I've been at this state for two weeks now). My speech and flow of words is noticeably better (I used to blame english being a second language for my social awkwardness and incoherence). My joints feel 10x better especially after doing hot detox baths w/ dead sea salt, food grade hydrogen peroxide and magnesium sulfate (salt as an anti-parasitic imo works). I get 4-5 muscle twitches on my legs per day (that was yesterday). My digestion has been excellent the past week (even as a young teenager I wasn't regular in the bathroom and had slight constipation). My tinnitus is practically gone. So at this point, I'm pretty sure I've eradicated every parasite and bartonella/blo bacterium in my body so I will stop taking any herbal supplements except for curcumin, red root, 4life transfer factor and lithium orotate (also around 5 g of citrulline with my bcaa when I workout). I will keep taking these supplements and do occasional detox baths for a while to make sure I'm getting rid of all the toxins. I really hope more people stumble upon this stuff because it definitely gets rid of EVERYTHING (don't know about viruses though).
Posted 6/12/2017 6:33 PM (GMT 0)
Girlie - the coating on my tongue is white/yellow and in the middle of the tongue, not the whole area. I can't imagine doing much more with my diet than I already am, but I can look at antifungals like oil of oregeno.

There is a flu/cold/cough going around here and my symptoms have tracked the local virus, but I feel like I was hit a little harder.
Posted 6/12/2017 6:50 PM (GMT 0)
I think anti-fungals is a good idea. oil of oregano is also antimicrobial - so could induce a lyme/bart herx possibly, along with any symptoms from Candida die-off (if you do have it)
Posted 6/12/2017 7:01 PM (GMT 0)
Girlie - do you have a brand to recommend? Also, it is ok to put drops in water and ingest like other herbals? I read some conflicting info about digesting it.

I am taking a Candida Cleanse and have been on probiotic, but I want to get on top of this.
Posted 6/12/2017 8:55 PM (GMT 0)
Kat - I don't take the Oregano oil - so I don't have a preferred brand.

It is very strong though and I suggest you dilute it.


I believe it's also available in capsule form.

(It's not the same as the oregano essential oil, but it's still strong, pungent)
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