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Posted 6/12/2017 5:22 AM (GMT 0)
I'm pretty good about my diet - no wheat, sugar, processed food, or corn. No soy. I drink lots of water. Mostly. But today I had some corn chips. They're organic, but still...I can already feel them messing with my stomach.

Anyone have any tips on what do you when you've eaten something you shouldn't? Something I can take? I'm trying to drink lots of water. Man, those corn chips are like a drug. I don't know why I started eating them. I had maybe two handfuls, but that's plenty for me.

Ugh.
Posted 6/12/2017 9:16 AM (GMT 0)
Lots of buffered vit c ...then mag to blow the wad ...maybe some activated charcoal to absorb toxins
Posted 6/12/2017 1:07 PM (GMT 0)
BlueLyme, thank you!
Posted 6/12/2017 2:02 PM (GMT 0)
I was going to say activated charcoal. Hopefully you won't feel too badly.
Posted 6/12/2017 2:04 PM (GMT 0)
How are you doing today, 10Lyme?
Posted 6/12/2017 5:23 PM (GMT 0)
Same thing you do with addiction. Associate the food (or behavior) with pain.

This is not the same as beating yourself up which I recommend against.

Associate the food with pain so the next time you crave it thoughts of pain arise. I believe it is called negative reinforcement.

Eventually the pain will become greater than the craving and the craving will pass.

You may hold the food and say "This causes me pain". "The pain far outweighs anything pleasurable. I loathe this thing for all the pain it has caused me"

Once you have done the negative reinforcement exercise, then pretend you did not eat it, so you dont beat yourself up emotionally. We are attempting to forgive the action but remember the pain for next time.

If you quit smoking, having one cigarette does not get you addicted again, but many people have resigned to the idea that they have failed by the end of that one cigarette.

If they reinforced the loathing for the item then act as if the action of smoking didnt happen they could continue forward with the same mindset that they had before it did.

With cigarettes you must identify the triggers and unlearn or disassociate them all so you are prepared for the trigger events. You cant quit nor avoid all triggers, but you can mentally prep yourself for them.

You must learn to hate the item by associating it with the negative feelings, but love yourself enough that you forgive the action.

Because you have to forget that you chose that action but reinforce the association of that item with the things you loathe, without self loathing.

I have used this method with many compulsory things.

The only true failure is when you quit trying.

With foods, keep them out of sight and ask your family members to help keep them out of sight until you are strong enough and prepared enough to deal with the trigger that seeing it will cause.
Posted 6/12/2017 5:42 PM (GMT 0)
CA -

I like that meditative, associative approach. I hope that helps people.

10LymeB -

My problem with food - worse when I was working and traveling all the time - was not being able to carry 3+ meals around with me all the time, every day. Most of the time, I'd have at least two meals "out" a day - sometimes for an entire week. It's impossible to rigidly control restaurant food. You can do as best as you can, and sometimes you have no choice, you're forced to eat the food in front of you.

So I either would go without, or would be very very careful to detox ASAP and as effectively as possible, including a couple doses of binder. bluelyme's approach is good but not if it's repetitive. The "issues" in your gut will work around the detoxing if it's constantly being fed the problem foods but for an infrequent 'emergency fix' they generally help.

-p
Posted 6/12/2017 6:04 PM (GMT 0)

Pirouette said...


My problem with food - worse when I was working and traveling all the time - was not being able to carry 3+ meals around with me all the time, every day. Most of the time, I'd have at least two meals "out" a day - sometimes for an entire week.
-p

This is the problem I will be facing in 3 weeks when I (hopefully) go back to work. Any suggestions for the least evil of fast food options? I used to eat 1 mickey d's double cheeseburger every day partly due to both price and convenience. Taking a lunch with me isn't really a good option. I work outside so whatever ambient temperature is so am I. Plus where I keep my stuff is commonly over 100°f in the summer. And what about bread? I have been avoiding it but when I go back I don't know. My work day is 10 to 12 hours Monday through Friday fast paced and physical. I'm not going to be able to eat like I have been recently. I admit i had the worst diet ever (8 or more fast food meals per week, no veggies, no water just Dr Pepper and gatorade) but can a couple of handfuls of corn chips every now and then really be that bad? I honestly don't know. This whole eating healthy thing is new to me. Any suggestions?
Posted 6/12/2017 6:56 PM (GMT 0)
I worked in the boonies with no fast food places at all for over 25 years. I had to make my lunches and put them in an ice chest. I would spend 4-5 hours each weekend preparing for the week of lunches I would make.

I hated soggy sandwiches.

My solution was all the ingredients in containers and assemble just before eating. Works perfect.

I even assembled wraps the same way. But, it was really convenient to just have a piece of chicken, a salad and some fruit. And then I would throw in some nuts or string cheese for snack time.

I don't generally eat something wrong. I tend to love it so much I eat more than I should. I pay dearly for this. I then take 8 ounces of water and put in a teaspoon of baking soda and chug it down. Gets rid of bloating and indigestion with a huge burp(s).
Posted 6/12/2017 7:01 PM (GMT 0)
WV Mike,

I don't keep as strict a diet as a lot of people on here because I need the carbs and dairy for another stomach thing I've got going on and eating to much plant based foods make me sick- and because I like pasta to much, if I'm being honest.

I think as you're starting out start with small changes, like add in water, your body really needs water to flush your system whether you're sick or not. I drink a ton of water, and I noticed a big difference in how I felt and how my skin looked after I started doing so.

And if you are going with fast food I tend to go for chick fil a because they have a lot more healthy options and I feel like their meat quality is far better. They also have fresh fruit and use good quality lettuce in their wraps/salad. Subway could be healthy as well. I think adding in some fruit and veggies would go a long way. A lot of places you can get apple slices and stuff instead of fries.

When it comes to diets I think that trying to do a complete overhaul doesn't work because people always give up, but if you start small you'll move on to making healthier choices. Just add in the good stuff to give you the nutriance to start with.
Posted 6/12/2017 7:13 PM (GMT 0)
Mike -

Well, you definitely have a challenge!

WATER
Rule #1 - bring a ton of water w/ you. Go to target and buy a 1 gal beverage cooler. Fill it and bring it with you. Getting rid of the expensive and poisonous soft drinks will be a huge improvement. Your body desperately needs water, not only to keep it working and flushing, but to replace what you're sweating out.

Food-wise - I'll share some things I did and we'll see if we can tweak them for you. I was on a very restrictive diet - I don't know how strict you need to be. But strict is difficult with a very physical day. All the usual foods you would normally eat to provide energy are "off limits" to the restricted diets. You might need to compromise on the days you're working. Calories are a must or you will crash.

CHILLED?
So, I'm thinking you need some of the "simple carb" foods that most people have to avoid - namely grains (breads, pasta). Grocery stores sell the re-freezable ice packs, if you can carry a lunch cooler. And I'd spend the time and energy to buy the high quality (non-GMO, organic, multi-grain breads and real meat lunch meats not the processed stuff)... and stay away from sandwich foods the days you're not working.

And if you can carry a little cooler - stuff little baggies w/ broccoli, carrots, stuff like that. Hard-boiled egg, hummus, guacamole, lots of good stuff.

FOOD POWDER
This might be a good option for you - maybe alternate between sandwich days - temperature-proof. All you need to do is add water (or try to find individual small cartons of almond, coconut or rice milk that aren't refrigerated.) You won't taste the non-milk milk but it will be more "filling". Room-temp beverage isn't going to taste great but I would just chug it.

I was lucky enough to be given a medicated food powder by my Lyme Literate gastroenterologist. It was expensive and tasted nasty (overly sweet) so I'd add two heaping tablespoons of unsweetened cocoa and it was "drinkable." There were times I couldn't afford it and researched all the best food powders you can buy... have to be careful - many are designed for body-building and are full of chemicals and sugar.

There was one that I LOVED - organic, non-GMO, raw, non-dairy, etc... but after drinking it my hair started falling out. Eventually found out it included a rice product sourced from this place in china. I couldn't afford another option so I actually kept drinking it for a few months! Just couldn't beat the convenience. I carried meal-sized portions of food powder in a baggy and a bottle of water with me to snarf down at lunch time.

ENERGY BARS
You'll need more than just the food powder. I'd see if you can find a good energy bar that has the least amount of sugar. They're often full of chemicals too unless you go to a health food store. They aren't cheap, either, but there's a reason they're called energy bars - they are full of protein.

SOUP
Can you take a thermos w/ hot soup? Any chicken/beef/veggie broth with a bunch of meat and veggies and stuff in it would be very good. I would heat up broth to a low simmer and then dump frozen veggies (my favorite was chopped up Kale, spinach) and then I'd toss in salt, pepper, whatever spices - I love this chipotle seasoning, dried onions, garlic powder... you name it. So easy - no prep.

I used to drink broth like tea. Always had a thermos on me like some people carry water. Not great for hot weather, I know but you could drink it cold if your thermos keeps it cold enough?

SNACKS
I'd also try to load up on easy, quick snacks you can stuff in your pockets and eat on the go. When the diet is limited, you end up eating smaller meals (w/out all the filler junk...like BREAD) so it's OK to graze throughout the day. Might help your energy level, too.

Peanuts are high-mold, so I'd avoid if you have that issue. Otherwise they have a LOT of good variety (salt+vinegar, chipotle+lime, hot chili, etc.) Sunflower seeds and chick peas are now sold in in flavor options.

There are other rice-based snacks with granola and stuff. Dried fruit isn't great for mold issues but that might be another option. You can find this stuff at health food stores or on Amazon.com - buy in bulk. I'm surprised by how many regular grocery and convenience stores carry stuff like that now.

Hope this is helpful...

-p
Posted 6/12/2017 8:14 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks all for the suggestions, sorry if I hijacked your thread 10lyme. I have already switched from drinking no water ever to drinking only water. It's been 4 or 5 weeks now. I don't know if mold is an issue. Not sure if I've been tested. Actually don't know if I've been tested for any Co infections either. I will ask doc at next appointment.
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