Lyme Toxins: The Primary Cause of Your Symptoms

Deejavu holds a very special place in my heart - she was the one that helped me not only learn about detoxing, but helped me find ways to do things like dry skin brushing when I couldn't even have sheets and clothing touch my skin.

Since that time, I've been promoting detoxing as part of our healing, as it's more than obvious to me that most of us need to detox in order to heal - and for those with gene mutations that make it harder for the body to heal, detoxing is a must.

Good article! Thanks for sharing it!

Rikky1 said...
funny traveler because when i look up detoxing in the dictionary there's a picture of you dry skin brushing your arms!

Lol Rikky!!

She is the Queen of detox.

Rikky1 said...
funny traveler because when i look up detoxing in the dictionary there's a picture of you dry skin brushing your arms!

Bwahahahahaha!!!! Thanks for the belly laugh this morning, Rikky!!!! I'm not in the best of moods today (pain levels are up too high), so that was awesome! Thank you!!!

"Queen of detox"??? LOL Girlie!!! I know, I know, I'm always talking about it!! But it helps so many!!!


Blue, I do agree with you. Detoxing is only one piece of the puzzle, but it can be a big piece for some. That article is also an older article, so the research had not gotten to where it is today to know all of the ins and outs of what makes us sick/have trouble healing. There are some really good points made in that article though.

I believe it. I always have. Though, for years, I've been really lazy about detoxing.

Thing is, it's such a commitment. Depending on your bacterial load, methylation pathways, and other relative factors, it can be overwhelming. Epsom salt baths, tinctures, binders, saunas, the list goes on. Even incorporating a variety of methods, I've seen talk of people still struggling to keep up, which is an amazement, because I wonder how they're even able to do what they do.

I've never given it my all, and that's probably part of the reason why I haven't improved as much as I could have, or could still. I don't have the time to juggle everything, is the simple response, or maybe I do, but what free time I get is (unwisely) spent being lazy, I guess. Escaping the grind of school, work, and what I do continue to do for my health.

On top of that, aside from the efforts often required to detox properly, is the thought that it's a difficult thing for your body to do, which is obvious, evidenced by the fact that detoxing is not an easy fix. Like I said, it's a matter of do this, do that, etc. For someone to say that they only do epsom baths, take a little Pinella, or something, and they're fine, I feel that's the minority. Even then, you'd question them, right? Detoxing is a part-time job in terms of hours put in, that's my conception of it.

But, it's important. It's worth the investment, something I'm just now beginning to accept, years later. It's a real thing, not that I ever fully doubted it. It's just you seem layfolk who mock people who talk about detoxing, and, in some cases, maybe for good reason (say, when you have someone who's in relatively good health, marketing some magic detox juice on Facebook) - you see those people, and just wonder why it's such a far-off theory, when people like us can see its effects. It's not a placebo, it can't be. Take it from the (formerly) king of doubters.

Past few weeks, trying different tinctures, I've been really down. Suicidal thoughts. Emptiness. Self-doubt. Negative outlook on everything. I always pick myself up, but it's a very hollow, unrewarding act, because I just don't feel it in my heart. I do it, because I know I can't let those sides of me win. I've come too far to just give up now. But, thinking about it, the real answer is, as you said, toxins. I order some more Pinella, hit the sauna more, and try to keep forcing the poops out of me, and the negativity subsides. It's not a coincidence. If can't be. Toxins are real, and a huge part of treatment, just as is being positive (wink wink).

Still, I know what I'm doing is not enough, and I don't quite know how to remedy that. Buy more detox tinctures? Time limits a lot of sauna, Vitamin C flushing, etc. Plus, I'm curious as to the pathway neurotoxins take out of the body. I've heard of cycles the brain goes through as you sleep, and I am inclined to believe, but that's obviously not thorough enough, otherwise we wouldn't have issues. So, how are we to force them out, otherwise? How does the Pinella, Burbur, or the like function in the body?

Very curious questions, and curious how little is known about the physiology of humans, just concerning how Lyme interacts, let alone everything else.

Too much for my pea mind.

I don't know why I'm posting this. I don't really offer anything in terms of helpful advice, treatment recommendations, statistics, whatever I feel is really needed here. I just come here to express things, sometimes. Sorry.

Big love to my little Lymecakes. Stay in the fight, and live what you can. Much strength to weather the wear of the years spent.

Post Edited (NotQuiteAntonio) : 6/28/2017 5:23:13 PM (GMT-6)

I would be interested to see how the "toxins" he mentioned are stored in the body over long periods of time. Are those toxins ammonia or something else? I do have my doubts about that.

Lyme causes an environment that isn't good for our "normal" bacteria. That is why it is a struggle long term. You regain a foothold with your "normal" balance of bacteria and then a few days later, it's gone. The bacteria that cause the ammonia increase are because of borrelia's effect on our GI tract which allows excessive gram negative anaerobes to grow. Borrelia doesn't cause the ammonia increase, the other bacteria do.

The Chinese speak of a Syndrome, called Gu syndrome.

More than 10 years ago, when I read about it, because I had to research on my own for coinfection herbs (babesia, bart), Gu syndrome looked much like lyme and chronic infections.

it was described much before these Chinese knew about microorganisms, if I understood well (an old disease condition, from old texts).

Gu syndrome was basically described as a disease of dark, dirty energies in the body. Energies that are stuck, dirt that does not move and stay stuck and the patient rots. That is how I remember understanding the text.

So the treatment were herbs that made that dirt move in the body, that activated circulation, the detox organs etc. They described the Gu disease as a pot of flowers left with rotten water inside, or something alike.

That was more than a decade ago: no one was talking about lyme disease in China then.

Now that lyme is in China, I read recently that their description of lyme does fit that Gu syndrome!!!

I should have bookmarked the link...

Clearly, the Chinese TCM see lyme as a lack of movement, lack of detox, rotten water in a closed flower pot!!

When you see that everyone with lyme will be suffering from candida, fungi, other infections (not only from tick bites), well, it does look like going towards decay.

In nature, decay (of trees, leaves, dead animals) = consumption by fungi, bacteria, insects.

In lyme, decay = consumption by bacteria, protozoa, viruses, candida, parasites!

Post Edited (Jinna) : 6/29/2017 7:26:03 AM (GMT-6)

NotQuiteAntonio said...
I believe it. I always have. Though, for years, I've been really lazy about detoxing.

Thing is, it's such a commitment. Depending on your bacterial load, methylation pathways, and other relative factors, it can be overwhelming. Epsom salt baths, tinctures, binders, saunas, the list goes on. Even incorporating a variety of methods, I've seen talk of people still struggling to keep up, which is an amazement, because I wonder how they're even able to do what they do.

I've never given it my all, and that's probably part of the reason why I haven't improved as much as I could have, or could still. I don't have the time to juggle everything, is the simple response, or maybe I do, but what free time I get is (unwisely) spent being lazy, I guess. Escaping the grind of school, work, and what I do continue to do for my health.

On top of that, aside from the efforts often required to detox properly, is the thought that it's a difficult thing for your body to do, which is obvious, evidenced by the fact that detoxing is not an easy fix. Like I said, it's a matter of do this, do that, etc. For someone to say that they only do epsom baths, take a little Pinella, or something, and they're fine, I feel that's the minority. Even then, you'd question them, right? Detoxing is a part-time job in terms of hours put in, that's my conception of it.

But, it's important. It's worth the investment, something I'm just now beginning to accept, years later. It's a real thing, not that I ever fully doubted it. It's just you seem layfolk who mock people who talk about detoxing, and, in some cases, maybe for good reason (say, when you have someone who's in relatively good health, marketing some magic detox juice on Facebook) - you see those people, and just wonder why it's such a far-off theory, when people like us can see its effects. It's not a placebo, it can't be. Take it from the (formerly) king of doubters.

Past few weeks, trying different tinctures, I've been really down. Suicidal thoughts. Emptiness. Self-doubt. Negative outlook on everything. I always pick myself up, but it's a very hollow, unrewarding act, because I just don't feel it in my heart. I do it, because I know I can't let those sides of me win. I've come too far to just give up now. But, thinking about it, the real answer is, as you said, toxins. I order some more Pinella, hit the sauna more, and try to keep forcing the poops out of me, and the negativity subsides. It's not a coincidence. If can't be. Toxins are real, and a huge part of treatment, just as is being positive (wink wink).

Still, I know what I'm doing is not enough, and I don't quite know how to remedy that. Buy more detox tinctures? Time limits a lot of sauna, Vitamin C flushing, etc. Plus, I'm curious as to the pathway neurotoxins take out of the body. I've heard of cycles the brain goes through as you sleep, and I am inclined to believe, but that's obviously not thorough enough, otherwise we wouldn't have issues. So, how are we to force them out, otherwise? How does the Pinella, Burbur, or the like function in the body?

Very curious questions, and curious how little is known about the physiology of humans, just concerning how Lyme interacts, let alone everything else.

Too much for my pea mind.

I don't know why I'm posting this. I don't really offer anything in terms of helpful advice, treatment recommendations, statistics, whatever I feel is really needed here. I just come here to express things, sometimes. Sorry.

Big love to my little Lymecakes. Stay in the fight, and live what you can. Much strength to weather the wear of the years spent.

NQA - are you taking any anti-inflammatories? I've noticed that when my brain is inflamed (as well as other parts of me), my whole attitude changes. Depression, anger, and other negative things come out of me a lot.

Hang in there!! You've hit quite a few rough patches along the way, my friend, and you are still hanging in there. You'll figure this one out too!

Actually, many of us use these herbs. Huangqi is astragalus, raw gancao is raw licorice, Danggui is ginseng, Baishao is one that I don't know if many use, but I do - it's white peony.

It's fairly easy to look up each of the herbs mentioned online though.

>>So the treatment were herbs that made that dirt move in the body, that activated circulation, the detox organs etc.

Jinna this really stuck out for me. LLMD's want you to be able to get as much exercise as you can tolerate even weightlifting. There are several reasons for that but one is so you keep things circulating which helps not only medicines to get into the deep crevices but also flush things out. makes a lot of sense when you think about what we're dealing with.