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Posted 7/24/2017 1:16 PM (GMT 0)
I have read multiple articles regarding this new prevention shot and the strong possibility that it succeeds in human trials. It is an antibody.
Do you think that in strong enough concentrations, could be used to treat patients that already have Lyme? In theory it seems so. It is an antibody that kills the Bb. That is what we all lack and that is why IVIG is usually somewhat successful.
Thoughts?

inhabitat.com/lyme-disease-shot-could-offer-100-protection/
Posted 7/24/2017 2:53 PM (GMT 0)
They had a lyme vaccine at one time---

Developed in the ‘90s by pharmaceutical company SmithKline Beecham (now GlaxoSmithKline), LYMErix was the only licensed Lyme disease vaccine on the market. The vaccine was based on one of the surface proteins expressed by the disease-causing bacterium, which was used to evoke an immune response in the individual. Clinical trials involving more than 10,000 individuals found that LYMErix reduced new infections in adults by close to 80% and conferred protection to 100% of children. Additionally, no serious side-effects were observed.

Despite these positive results, the vaccine was withdrawn from the U.S. market in 2002 due to a combination of factors. Although it was considered a cost-effective approach for Lyme disease, its high cost resulted in slow uptake in clinical settings and reluctance of insurance companies to cough up for it. This, combined with the emergence of a hypothesis that the vaccine sparked immune responses that resulted in arthritis, caused the vaccine’s popularity to plummet.

Copied from www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/thanks-anti-vaxxers-only-licensed-lyme-disease-vaccine-was-withdrawn/

Dogs qualify for the vaccine -- legacy.wbur.org/2012/06/27/lyme-vaccine

Sad,,,,,,, sad
Posted 7/25/2017 12:29 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Fronton -

I'm not familiar with that "shot". It's tough to know the time frame of that article - it references outdated CDC new cases information. And--would need to actually see the study or paper.

Last year there was a lot of buzz about manipulating the DNA of Lyme ticks' main carrier, the white-footed mouse, to offer immunity to the Bb.

I'm quite dubious of any science it and other products might be developed from, because there are so many problems with the previous vaccines primarily due to the bad science they were based on. Part of the confusion is that we still aren't real sure how the body's immune response is affected by the Bb nor why, exactly, it responds the way it does, which defies all other science known about immune function.

If they had advanced the science, we would probably know by now as it would drastically affect how we approach treatment.

That said, progress requires small steps.

-p
Posted 7/25/2017 5:22 AM (GMT 0)
the vaccine created anti myelin/neural antibodies just like the immune system trying to kill borrelia... and gave people a bit of MS/arthritis symptoms....

no i dont think the vaccine is treatment for us, if u have the bacteria for a long time, your immune system, especially after a few rounds of abx, is very aware of it.... but it's too late to remove it from all parts of the body
Posted 7/25/2017 12:01 PM (GMT 0)
Pamela Weintraub wrote a fascinating piece on the lymerix vaccine and the wonky way it made its way to market plus concerns and issues with side effects that dogged this product: www.whale.to/m/lymerix8.html

My guess is that one factor was that certain genetic predispositions made a segment of population more vulnerable to adverse effects from the vaccine.
Posted 7/25/2017 1:38 PM (GMT 0)

mpost said...
the vaccine created anti myelin/neural antibodies just like the immune system trying to kill borrelia... and gave people a bit of MS/arthritis symptoms....

no i dont think the vaccine is treatment for us, if u have the bacteria for a long time, your immune system, especially after a few rounds of abx, is very aware of it.... but it's too late to remove it from all parts of the body

What do you mean by after a few rounds of abx?
Posted 7/25/2017 2:38 PM (GMT 0)
Take it for what its worth(which isnt much) but theres no vaccine, much less treatment option, thats going to do squat in regards to Lyme. When they dismiss all the possible co infections that routinely piggyback Lyme, its a failure from the start.
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