Desperately seeking answer

As some of you know I am dealing with anxiety. It slowly builds up about a half hour upon wakening and gets to the point that I am a crazy, out of control lunatic. I can't tolerate any stress or even talking to someone. I sit all day long and stay on the internet to try and keep myself calm. Walking to the bathroom can bring about rage, tremors and difficulty talking. Anxiety calms down around 9 or 10pm. I am able to sleep 6 hours. Then it starts all over again. I am seeing a new LLMD on Tuesday to get back into treatment. My current LLMD gave me a choice of abx or A-Bart. I chose A-Bart but am having difficulty raising the dose. At least with abx I was eventually able to function. I want to take abx to lower my bacterial load and then continue by using tinctures. Hopefully, my gut won't take too big of a hit. Anyway, i want to know if this anxiety could be related to adrenal issues because of the cyclying of the anxiety. I know I need a 4 point saliva test and will get this done. Could you tell me how your anxiety symptoms affected you.

Patty

summer - when my anxiety was bad - there nothing I did worked. It was physical...I would feel it as soon as I woke - before I got out of bed...it would 'well' up inside me and within a few minutes it was horrible.

I tried a gratitude journal...watching funny/distracting videos, music....started seeing a therapist.

I also got bouts of depression cycling in at the same time...I was a mess. My husband so worried about me that he was spending his half hour lunch break driving home to see how I was. The drive took most of his lunch break...so he would have maybe 10 minutes with me. I would grab on to him and cry.
Needless to say - he was a wreck too.
Some very dark times...that tears me up just thinking about them.

This was before diagnosis...and thankfully it actually got a lot better before treatment.

When I say nothing worked - I meant nothing 'natural'. If it hadn't gotten a lot better I would have had to have some 'help'.

(I tried supplements...but it didn't help...)

I hope you find something soon - I know it's torture.

Sending you big hugs Patty

Hi Patty -

I'm so sorry - I know EXACTLY what you're experiencing. Many of us do.

You're absolutely right to question adrenal function and yes, please get the saliva test done - it might help you understand how to support it. Other times, you might need to try a few different things out. Hope your solution comes fairly easily.

The sx you described are "neurological-psychological" symptoms that are very common w/ Lyme & Co and the treatment that comes along with it. Also, those are common sx where GI issues are concerned (keep in mind the gut-brain connection that science proved when they found blood vessels that connect the two). The imbalance triggers neurotransmitter imbalances, which cause sx like anxiety, rage, feeling crazy, you name it. For me - these are my worst sx.

Adrenal imbalances can also cause neurotransmitter imbalances. Adrenal function is part of the HPA axis or the hypothalmus-pituitary (triggers thyroid function) and adrenal functions and interacts in lock-step with GI and immune function (70% of our immune function is in our GI). So they all need to be coordinating together to keep things working correctly.

Gut dysbiosis can lead to sx in the brain due to bacteria imbalance, yeast/fungal overgrowth that can occur when we target bacteria w/ abx or other antimicrobials, or food poisoning or infections in the GI. Neurotoxins can develop in the GI and travel to the brain.

You can have gut issues from many other things - not just abx.

When I initially started treatment, my LLMD put me on Byron White herbal tinctures including A-Bart. I started developing these strange GI attacks and overwhelming neuro-psycho sx. The attacks got so bad we switched to IV vanco and for the first month on the vanco, my herxing was horrific - I would cycle through every extreme emotion you can imagine, hour after hour - "CRAZY" is how it felt. Out of control, just as you said. It was very dangerous, too, because I couldn't control it. Week by week those sx and all the others started to improve and I'd say by the 6th week the vanco was working great and I had significant improvement in my bart sx.

Since I had these same GI attacks w/ the A-bart AND the same herxing with the A-bart as I had w/ the vanco - my theory is that I had significant bart or bart-like (mine was actually diagnosed as "bartlike organism or BLO) in my GI and that's what caused so much horrible herxing.

Byron White herbs are considered to be 10x more potent than other protocols so something else you can try is the bart line of Beyond Balance protocols - I love them. I take a few.

The other thing I STRONGLY suggest is increasing your focus on your gut health - reduce your diet to ONLY whole, healthy foods (no sugar at all, no simple carbs ---the white stuff---white rice/flours/potato, no dairy and no grains). Not forever, just to get past the initial herxing. The short version of why you want to do this is to clarify and simply what your body has to process - fewer chemicals and reactive foods will help reduce those sx.

Also, try taking a binder - there hae been a few other discussions about binders today/yesterday so give those a good read - lots to search as well. The binders will help move the toxins through your GI more quickly so that they don't contribute to the neurotoxins that cause the neuro-psycho sx. I ran out of my binder and then forgot to resume taking it... 3 wks go by and I could feel the neuro-psycho sx return with a vengeance. 2 days of binders and I'm feeling normal again.

Also - please try using brain detox tinctures made by Nutramedix - Pinella and Burbur ---many of us are using them successfully.

Hope that's helpful - hang in there - it's temporary.

-p

Hi Everyone,

I am so confused because since the end of April my main symptoms have been neuro-psychiatric:severe depression and anxiety. My row with Lyme began the end of March with the usual flu-like symptoms. I was diagnosed in June and was put on doxycycline.

On top of that I have known for a while that I have kidney stones and I already knew that eventually I would have to get a couple of procedures. This month month was the time. So when I was in the hospital they put me on IV Rocephin for a week so I would not develop a kidney infection, which is also good for Lyme. Besides that I was put on so many drugs morphine, toradol, heparin and of course general anesthesia. This just exacerbated my emotional instability since I am very sensitive to drugs.

Anyway, while I was in the hospital I asked to be re-checked for lyme and this time it came back negative. But I know these tests are not accurate especially if you are on antibiotics.

My question is with Lyme does the anxiety and depression get better? What is the best treatment besides taken antibiotics. As of right now I can't handle anymore antibiotics since they worsen my depression and put me in a black pit. I heard that Stevia- alchohol extract is another option with burber and pinella?

Patty a lot of people get bad psych herxes on a Bart. Have you considered buhner? Activated charcoal and Ativan have been lifesavers for my anxiety

Yes, chris - the anxiety and depression DOES get better with treatment and time.

Give the Pinella a try


Also, others' have found Jernigan's Neuro-Antitox II - CNS/PNS works good for detoxing the brain.

Welcome, Casa. Thank you for responding. So sorry you have to be here. I take mag citrate. What kind are you taking that seems to help you? I also take A.D.P. (Oil of oregano). I also eat a very clean diet but not taking in many calories which is becoming a problem due to poor appetite. I haven't had a bit of sugar for many, many months. No dairy, gluten and very low carbs. Taking collagen is helpful, too. I also started taking colostrum to protect the gut lining. Hopefully, your next cycle won't bring on anxiety.

jennydancingfish, i am deathly afraid if taking a benzodiazepine. Had a horrible time with bad withdrawals when getting off a 4 month use of Xanax. I do take activated charcoal and just stopped chlorella at my doctor's suggestion because he didn't want to move metals out of my body at this time. I will ask the new doctor his thoughts on this. I have also noticed many have problems taking A-Bart. This is my second time trying it and it is a no go.

P, I do use burbur, parsley and pinella although I haven't noticed much of a difference in using them this past year. Yea, getting sleep is so important. I calm down around 9pm and go to bed around 12 and up at 6am so that is about 9 hours of relief. Just sounds like a cortsol issue. Who knows. I work hard on my gut. Although problems will probably occur if antibiotic treatment is prescribed. Thanks, p, for always being there.

Best wishes to all,

Patty

Anxiety for me was a major early symptom. Anxiety attacks out of no where. Small task seem daunting and triggered anxiety. Horrible insomnia. At least it sounds like you can get some sleep. I wish it would have left me alone at night so I could have gotten some sleep as well.

I tried everything. I don't know what helped but eventually this problem went away. I don't know if it was treating the lyme and recovering, herbs, gut health, my immune system calming down, etc.

But something worked among all those things. Every once in a while I'll have a mild anxiety night have trouble sleeping but nothing like it once was though.

Just treat as best you can holistically and give it time. Just hold on and it will get better.