Dr. Axe - 3 Steps to Beat Lyme

10LymeB said...


He also says killing Lyme with ABX is counter productive. I don't know how I feel about that, but I do get the sense that herxing is not healthy. It's VERY traumatic. I think we can all agree.

You can have severe herxes on herbals and other treatment modalities.

Girlie, I think the takeaway is that you DO have to repair your gut as part of the process. I'm currently seeing a gastroenterologist who is also a Lyme specialist and he's said the same exact thing. It's a big and valid point. There's also a case to be made that while many people get exposed to Lyme, they never develop symptoms. It makes sense that getting your immune system on track - starting with your gut - should be part of the plan.

I can also attest that acupuncture helps with symptoms. I was doing it weekly before I got diagnosed, but then my acupuncturist moved. It really helped with anxiety, muscle aches, headaches, pain etc.

Anyway, it's all a good place to start is all I'm saying. I do think it's an integral part of getting cured.

I don't know if he actively treats Lyme patients, but he's a smart guy. I trust a lot of what he says and like I said, my own LLMD and GI doc recommend the exact same treatments as PART of the protocol.

10LymeB I love Dr. Axe. I got bit and it was not until my immune system was compromised that I got symptoms.

70% of our immune system is our gut! Huge statement he makes. He totally believes in healing the gut to get well. The body heals itself. If you get cut, you don't take something for that. You cover it and our body heals it.

I love his one pot diet, crock pot diet. He is so smart about our bodies.

I am way on board with bone broth and a huge proponent of healing that gut so you can absorb beneficial nutrients.

No ice cold drinks
No raw juices
No raw vegetables
He loves warm foods.

Stews are his fav with onions and garlic. But he does say do fermented vegetables.

Vitamins:
Vit D3 - 5,000-10,000 iu daily unless you get 30 minutes of sunshine a day. But, have this checked by a doc.
B Complex - organic
CoQ10 100-200
Magnesium
Omega3
crapake LOL s h i t a k e mushrooms - the forum won't let me type this mushroom
Cordyceps

He likes Ozone therapy and yes he does love Acupuncture. The 5 element style. It is great for treating the organs and fixing your Qi.

Qi can be helped with Royal Jelly, Spirulina, Astragulus, and licorice root.

Awesome video!!
Thanks so much

Post Edited (PeteZa) : 8/12/2017 9:10:24 PM (GMT-6)

10LymeB said...
Girlie, I think the takeaway is that you DO have to repair your gut as part of the process. I'm currently seeing a gastroenterologist who is also a Lyme specialist and he's said the same exact thing. It's a big and valid point. There's also a case to be made that while many people get exposed to Lyme, they never develop symptoms. It makes sense that getting your immune system on track - starting with your gut - should be part of the plan.

I can also attest that acupuncture helps with symptoms. I was doing it weekly before I got diagnosed, but then my acupuncturist moved. It really helped with anxiety, muscle aches, headaches, pain etc.

Anyway, it's all a good place to start is all I'm saying. I do think it's an integral part of getting cured.

I don't know if he actively treats Lyme patients, but he's a smart guy. I trust a lot of what he says and like I said, my own LLMD and GI doc recommend the exact same treatments as PART of the protocol.

I definitely agree that if you have gut issues they need to be addressed.

But his claim: "My 3 Steps to Beat LD for good" - which is :

- Follow the bone broth diet
- Take the supplements he listed
- Go to a 5 Element Acupuncturist

is not enough.

"I guarantee you're going to see great results in overcoming Lyme Disease."

If only it was that simple.

I used herbal ONLY for two years, and supplements. I went to a so-called naturopath, who ended up getting closed down due to her claims of being a LlND Dr. After being on her treatment protocol for one year, I got an actual tick bite(didnt ever see one before this) w/a smallish ring rash, but she said the Lyme tincture I was using would zap it.

At the end of her treatment protocol, which just so happens to have ended at time she closed doors, she pronounced me cured-yah right!!!

1 year later at an ACTUAL LLND's clinic whom I made sure has a license ot practice medicine, and after testing positive thru DNA connexions, I began treatment using traditional chinese herbs to restore the gut, THEN began the big abx.

This MULTIPLE systemic infectious disease REQUIRES using ALL the ammo available!

"THE BODY IS MEANT TO HEAL ITSELF"?

Thats just the thing w/Lyme & Co's = IT CANNOT, therefore it results in chronic illness!!!

Kev - do you live somewhere that doesn't have LL dr.'s?

Are you in Hong Kong?


Many people have healed on herbal protocols.

I definitely agree with most of the things he says. Healing the gut and following a healthy diet (minimal fat), in my experience, got rid of all my symptoms. He also talks a lot about the benefits of MSM in other articles, which is one of the reasons I started taking it as I trust his approach. That's not to say that I didn't find benefits from taking herbs, they just didn't completely heal me, plus I think some of the strong herbs I took may have contributed to my leaky gut. Now after taking liposomal colostrum and MSM for a month, my gut feels top notch and my symptoms are totally gone. So yeah healing definitely starts from the gut

10LymeB said...

RedEyedArab said...
I definitely agree with most of the things he says. Healing the gut and following a healthy diet (minimal fat), in my experience, got rid of all my symptoms. He also talks a lot about the benefits of MSM in other articles, which is one of the reasons I started taking it as I trust his approach. That's not to say that I didn't find benefits from taking herbs, they just didn't completely heal me, plus I think some of the strong herbs I took may have contributed to my leaky gut. Now after taking liposomal colostrum and MSM for a month, my gut feels top notch and my symptoms are totally gone. So yeah healing definitely starts from the gut

I'm going to ask my doctor about MSM - it sounds like something I could use.

You have to start slow (maybe 500-1000mg) and increase gradually. If you take a lot at once you'll get a headache, tons of gas, and other possible herx symptoms, so there is a strong detox effect. I'm at 20000mg per day right now with no ill side effects.

I really like what Peteza writes!

It's exactly what I feel: there is no rule that will heal ANY chronic illness for everyone, because a chronic illness comes due to failure of many body systems at the same time.

And each person is different!

Drug or no drug, is an option.

Diet + gut treatment are unfortunately, not optional (in my opinion). Few people will get off chronic lyme and multiple tick bites that may come in the future, if their guts are in too much trouble.

In that sense, I think dr. Axe is right (that the gut is one place to look at and try to make it better).

But the bone broth is just one option: I could not take bone broth before, I simply threw up if I did. Now that my gut is better, I love bone broth. I can't let any bone be thrown out without boiling it and making my broth. But in the past, bone broth felt 'wrong' to my body.

Another thing to look very carefully are teeth and jaws. I'm also convinced that these parts of the body need some healing (in case your mouth health is in bad shape).

As for acupuncture, dr. K is a fan. Dr. Mercola too. It does not have to be acupuncture, but simply acupressure can do wonders.

In dr. K's words: the patient that does not tap acupuncture points does not heal. The patient that taps may heal.

He uses tapping of acupuncture points EXTENSIVELY and so do I. Even now, without lyme, I use tapping extensively because it produces fast results and it corrects the body instead of just giving supplements to the body that is not working well.

Of course there will be people that do not treat the gut and say they are cured from lyme from drugs. In the past, that was often seen. But get bitten again, and then you got to get the drugs again, so it means, that the drugs did NOT solve the health problem that made you have lyme.

In my opinion, because of widespread Bb in humans and so many types of insects, and now in very probably in chicken (due to incredible infestation from red mites), milk, cow... well, if our immune system does not fight back some of these Bb, some of us are literally doomed. Specially if you live in the country side, under high tick exposure ON TOP.

So thinking about healing the gut is a good way to boost immunity.

I agree with 10LymeB that there is some mal-function in the immune system that creates conditions for development of lyme disease in some people, while others are equally bitten and do not develop the disease.

Bone broth did not work for me in the past either, but I don't say that people suggesting bone broth are wrong.

The point of this forum is to discuss what can help, right?

Same as with Buhner: some people think it's pretentious to call a book Healing Lyme because they say, lyme cannot be healed!

I have a very different view on that.

I am GLAD some protocols heal people. Even iif they don't heal, they MAY help people improve.

I'm glad about people talking about acupuncture, because it can ease incredible pain, if not heal some real serious health problems.

I suffered 20 years ++ with constant pain and the only thing that eased that was acupuncture, so I speak from own experience.

No doctor in 3 continents I lived in could ease my pain.

No SINGLE protocol on planet earth will heal ANY chronic illness whatsoever. It's not only lyme.

If a guy says: this is the Salt/C protocol to heal lyme...

...I just ignore the words 'protocol', and keep 'salt' and 'Vitamin C' for future investigation.

I do think taking good salt and good Vitamin C have value
... and I do agree that both substances will rarely heal anyone from a disease such as chronic lyme.

Healing Lyme herbs of Buhner do not heal all lyme cases.
It probably heals only a minority of people even. I mean, if used alone.

But that doesn't mean Buhner's herbs are useless because they 'don't heal lyme' as said in the title!!

All protocols for ANY chronic disease that exist on Planet Earth are only indications, suggestions, ideas.

I'm particularly thankful for people's suggestions, ideas,

.... and I'm old enough to know that everything is just one more idea on how to treat a chronic condition.

I'm less picky on details, specially knowing that a very bad lyme brain cannot understand a sentence that is longer than one line.

That was my case.

So a lyme brain understands better when one says: A + B + C heal lyme, but...

...a lyme brain cannot always understand that A + B + C + several other possible alternatives may or may not heal some cases of lyme, and if they do not heal, they may help under certain circumstances, but then you still need to look into D+ E+ F+G in order to possibly improve, but there is no guarantee anyway.

I'm someone that would not discard any suggestions just because I don't agree with the title or the word 'protocol' or whatever.

I even take advice from farmers, neighbors, friends, the taxi driver who know nothing about lyme.

Like that, I discovered the Violet Ray, that has done wonders for me and my family!

Post Edited (Jinna) : 8/14/2017 8:50:45 AM (GMT-6)

okay - some of you are missing the point i was making:



I am NOT saying that Acupuncture , bone broth, and supplements he listed won't HELP.

What I am saying is these statements will not heal someone with chronic Lyme Disease. He is downplaying the severity and how complex it is.


"My 3 Steps to Beat LD for good"

- Follow the bone broth diet
- Take the supplements he listed
- Go to a 5 Element Acupuncturist

If he said "My 3 Steps to support Lyme Disease Treatment" - then that would be different.
It is a stealth bacteria that has invaded our body...along with co-infections aplenty.

Have any of you decided to treat with those three things above only? I'd bet not.

Yes, those are good adjuncts...