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Posted 8/28/2017 11:39 PM (GMT 0)
Hi everyone, I am new to the group. I have just got Artemisia Annua Liquid extract from Herb Pharm which i am planning to start for Babasia treatment. what is the usual dosage recommendation on this? do you start with small dosage and then increase over time? Anyone experienced any herxing with it? Do i need to take any suppliments with it to make it more effective?
Posted 8/28/2017 11:46 PM (GMT 0)
Welcome to our forum JamesK,
Glad you have found us , you will find that members here are supportive and knowledgeable.

We encourage all new members to Read our"New to Lyme"Start here thread at the top of the page.

It has a lot of very useful and important information on Lyme Testing, detoxing, symptoms and so much more.

Sorry you have babesia, I have never used Artemisa but others have and Im hoping they come along and help with your questions.

Take care, Jo
Posted 8/29/2017 12:48 AM (GMT 0)
Welcome, JamesK.

I have read some posts where people are taking 500 mg in capsules twice daily of the whole herb Artemisia Annua.

Since you are going to take the tincture - just start at a low dose - a couple drops one day...and if that is okay...then increase to a couple drops twice daily, then continue that for a couple days...then add a third dosing of a couple drops.
Gradually keep increasing the dose every few days...by a few drops.

I haven't taken the Whole herb - but I've taken the Artemisinin which is the active constituent in Artemisia.
And I did herx on it.

I do think taking other herbs or abx (whichever you've chosen) for babesia is a good idea.

Some herbs: Cryptolepis, Sida Acuta, Alchornea Cordifolia, Bidens Pilosa.
If you start taking other tinctures, please start one at a time...you can add one in at a time after you've gotten your Artemisia in at low dose 3X daily.
Posted 8/29/2017 7:18 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you goshawk and Girlie for your kind replies.
I do not know for sure i have babasia. I have been having persistent headaches since march 2016 and some of the other symptoms like knee pains/skin sensitivity/numbness in the legs/feet since 20111. I was diagnosed with Lyme last year. I have been on Vital plan herbal treatment from Dr. Rawls for the past 6 months. More than a month ago, i have started having aggrevated symptoms such as air hunger, difficulty speaking (which creates pressure back of my head), more headaches than usual, burping. Burping got better after started using digest-suppliments from Dr. Rawls. I saw my Lyme doctor after that, he clinically diagnosed as the Bart co-infection but we thought it was Babasia (due to air hunger symptoms) but he insisted that because i do not have night sweats/chills, it is not babasia. he said in his notes "possible Bartonellosis based on VEGF elevation and few other symptoms". He suggested us to go for DNA test but it is very expensive ($500). I am little bit confused, not sure if i have babasia or bart or both. Is it ok if i use artemisia even if i have no babasia? does it work for bart or lyme? any suggestions based on your experinece?

Post Edited (JamesK) : 8/29/2017 1:21:00 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/29/2017 8:49 PM (GMT 0)
It's difficult sorting out what we have - babs or bart...or both.

It is okay to use artemisia if you don't have Babesia.

You could start adding in other herbs to target bart/lyme.
Posted 8/29/2017 10:06 PM (GMT 0)
Like Girlie said, it's okay to treat with herbs even if you're not sure about the diagnosis. Dr Rawls' plan is based on Stephen Buhner's herbal protocol. I know Buhner recommends Sida Acuta for both Bart and Babs. I don't know which herbs are included in Dr Rawls formulas, but if Sida is not in what you're taking, that would be a good one to take in addition to the formulas you're already on.
Posted 8/29/2017 10:09 PM (GMT 0)
Don't you get support from Dr Rawls or his team members as part of the Vital Plan package? Have you shared with them the increased symptoms you're having?
Posted 8/29/2017 10:22 PM (GMT 0)
I tested pretty high for Babesia, and was clinically diagnosed by a well respected Lyme doc, and I have never had chills or sweats. Lots of neurological issues like trouble speaking, head pressure, air hunger, and patichiae spots on my chest and biceps. Doc says we all respond differently and not everyone gets all the symptoms.
Posted 8/30/2017 7:32 PM (GMT 0)
Hi WalkingbyFaith, Yes, there is a facebook support page where i shared all the increased symptoms. I was told that it can be a herxing and asked me to keep doing the protocol. I was suggested to increase the dosage on some of the herbs to treat bart and bab if i want. I personally think Dr.Rawls plan is more specific to Lyme (same herbs as Buhner's lyme protocol). For bart and babasia, Buhner has seperate herbs which are not part of the Dr. Rawls plan. So i am thinking of taking additional treatment for co-infections in addition to the Dr. Rawls plan
Posted 8/30/2017 7:57 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Lostcoast, I have similar symptoms head pressure (gets aggrevated if i talk/sing continuously or when i eat my meal in quick bites) and touble speaking but i thought they are bart symptoms. I have had severe air hunger about 6 weeks ago, but after that it is not bad except few times i felt deep breathing. Are you now in remission w.r.t your symptoms? what treatments have you been taking? I really want to know what helps with the head pressure. appreciate any inputs
Posted 8/30/2017 8:22 PM (GMT 0)

JamesK said...
I personally think Dr.Rawls plan is more specific to Lyme (same herbs as Buhner's lyme protocol). For bart and babasia, Buhner has seperate herbs which are not part of the Dr. Rawls plan. So i am thinking of taking additional treatment for co-infections in addition to the Dr. Rawls plan

I was wondering about Dr. Rawls plan for the co's. I hadn't seen anything in his treatment that specifically addressed Bart and Babs.
Posted 8/30/2017 8:23 PM (GMT 0)

JamesK said...
Hi Lostcoast, I have similar symptoms head pressure (gets aggrevated if i talk/sing continuously or when i eat my meal in quick bites) and touble speaking but i thought they are bart symptoms. I have had severe air hunger about 6 weeks ago, but after that it is not bad except few times i felt deep breathing. Are you now in remission w.r.t your symptoms? what treatments have you been taking? I really want to know what helps with the head pressure. appreciate any inputs

I have head pressure behind my eyes. When I started minocycline in 2015, it went away...and stayed away during the first part of Bart treatment.

It has come back, and has been aggravated greatly with the Mepron I'm taking for Babesia.
It even affects my vision at times.
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