Feel like I'm never going to be abto treat or get better

The people who love you will understand. You do have to explain to her exactly what you explained to us as soon as possible.

I got better from the rage and paranoia and you can too. Your awareness of it is impressive. I was not aware of it until well after. I have since apologized to everyone and they still love me.

Never give up.

Aw countingstarsx, your wee one sounds adorable and she sure wants you to be happy.

I am sorry this happen and I have read that sometimes an herb can cause an intense reaction.

There are a couple of ways to handle this. One way - since 1 drop is too much you need to work up to that one drop. You can put that 1 drop into a small glass (very small glass) of water and take only 1/3 of it. That way you are only getting 1/3 of a drop. You might have to start this way and I have read of many that had to do it this way. Moving up super slowly. And to move up slowly you would take 1/3 the next day. It can sit out on the counter and be alright.

Way two - you can skip Japanese Knotweed for now and come back to it. Is there another herb in Buhner's protocol that you have taken before? That herb would be a good one to start with. You will just have to test another herb to see how you react.

If you started detoxing for only a few days and added in all of those detoxing methods, your reaction may have been from the detoxing, not the 1 drop of herb.

Detoxing has to be done low and slow also. Detoxing has to be done one at a time and slowly adding in more until you have a lot of detoxing methods going each day. Our bodies are designed to take care of detoxing daily, that's why we have kidneys and livers.

Every glass of clean water you drink is a "detox" elixir. Every stalk of celery you chew and swallow is a detox food. Every glass of fresh-squeezed orange juice you drink is a detox beverage. Every algae superfood you eat is a "detox" superfood. Every exercise that produces sweat is a detox exercise, and every hike into nature where you are surrounded by trees is a detox hike.

Detoxing the liver and the kidneys actually puts the toxins in the GI tract and ultimately to be eliminated. If you aren't doing enough fiber you can actually reabsorb the toxins that you have just eliminated from your kidneys and liver.

So maybe your reaction was over detoxing? Just guessing here.

you could also try taking the more difficult herbs at night to sleep through some of the mood issues. Its worth trying. by the time you wake up it will mostly be out of your system and had done its job.

countingstarsx said...
Chickenarise,
Thank you so much for your kind words.

What helped you with the rage and paranoia? I'm having to self treat and its so difficult!

Self treating is extremely difficult in so many ways. I only did it because I was forced to as doctors didnt believe me nor would they give me the tests I asked for. I pay all my medical out of pocket so I dont understand why they wouldnt honor my wishes.

Maybe it was my parents leaving Panama to go back to the US that helped the rage. But dad is back now and if I were to but heads with anyone it would be him. He drinks a lot.

We havent had any incidents on this trip. We had the potential for one as he raised his voice but rather than react I remained calm.

He sobered up and apologized and I said I had forgotten about it already.

I dont want anyone to have the power to trigger me, so I cant take anyone's words to heart. It is my choice what I decide to get angry about, but I didnt think like this at the time.

I am not sure exactly what helped and when the rage and paranoia subsided. I see it in my brother who was also infected in my then moldy house and I dont know how to help him. All he has done so far are abx and I have told him several times what helped me and he keeps telling me he plans to do it but doesnt.

I spoke with his doctor and she said she wanted him to do the protocol I had used. She attended the Dr. Fry conference in the spring also. But she also wanted him to do expensive mold testing.

I wish my brother would trust me but he is in that state of paranoia, and whats worse is he thinks hes better physically. He has always been arrogant and stubborn so its hard to tell, but I can tell.

At the time I was treating with Nascent Iodine and Fluconazole. Then I did the Klinghardt antihelmintic protocol.

You are going to have to make tough choices while trusting your instincts which is difficult. However, Youre in the company of some very smart and resourceful people on this forum. Consider yourself very lucky to have found them. I dont know what I would have done without them.

Feel free to contact me by email if you think I can be of further assistance.

Thank you Jinna.

I know I cant take large amounts, but it's hard to not get discouraged when I can't take small ones either. May I will just give JK a few months and work on the others and then start with very very small amounts.

I hate the set back though. I get to this point, and then I am scared to take anything else until I come back to baseline. I was fine most of the day today, but now I'm over emotional and feel like crying over nothing. Ill probably have to deal with the extremes for a few more days. I ordered Burbur-pinella a few days ago, so hopefully that will help me some.

I havent tried MSM. Don't actually know much about it. Is it strictly a binder? I just passed up a bag of it for fifty cents yesterday maybe I should see if it is still at the store.

What all did you use for binders?

Thanks Delisa,

I actually have some larch arabinogalactan. I used it in my treatment for SIBO. Havent taken it in awhile, but maybe I will.

Ive heard that charcoal can cause constipation, and shied away from it for a long time. I havent found it to really put more strain on my digestive system, probably because it seems the root of my constipation is the pelvic floor muscles.

Summer,

Did you have any reaction to stephania?

I am unable to tolerate magnesium in any form. I'm having a lot of success so far with biofeedback therapy for the pelvic floor.

Hi countingstarsx -

All great advice already - I'd dilute your doses as much as possible and don't be in a hurry to work up to higher doses to start with. Let your body acclimate.

Alternatively, I have had to stop taking some herbs and move on and come back to them (some I will never try again) - absolutely NOTHING wrong with that. If your body has trouble detoxing, the process will simply take awhile - you will have to be patient. But that dos not mean you will not heal.

I'm so glad you're trying binders - they ALL must be taken with a lot of water (minimum 64 oz) and sometimes it's good to drink a lot of your daily water intake right after the binder. Once I got acclimated to binders, they helped make me very regular so constipation was not an issue. You might also try taking a tablespoon of tart cherry juice as a natural laxative after your binder - remember the 2 hr buffer time zones before and after your binder. Instead of charcoal, try bentonite clay, which is more of a liquid - not a LOT different than charcoal but could be helpful.

So, the rage is what is called a "neuro-psych" sx caused by neurotransmitter imbalances. I continue to have these and I'm still in the process of figuring out what my body needs although I've made tremendous progress so far. Gut health is key - which sounds like is in good shape for you. Binders are essential and you're working that in.

Next might be supplementation and this is where it can get complicated. Have you ever had any neurotransmitter analysis done? It's usually tested by saliva samples. You might ask your ND about this (MDs are generally clueless). There are maybe a dozen primary neurotransmitters that your body produces or utilizes in its daily chemical reactions that also produce/utilize hormones - the endocrine, digestion and immune functions are all interconnected. So this might take some sleuthing but you've covered some ground already.

Hope this is helpful -

-p

MCspike wrote:

"For addressing the massive inflammation, my Dr. prescribes activated charcoal w/chlorella, slippery elm bark, &redmond clay(its all in one caplet). I also WAS taking HIGH dose fish oil and meriva curcumin. I became intolerant to the fish oil so am now taking sunflower lecithin by 'now' & its working fine alongwith magnesium citrate to keep bowels moving which is VERY important, as you know. Also, which has been VERY essential for me is high dose b vitamin w/methy folate!"

I also like those detox / binders.

But MSM is SO easy to take (just read about it), very safe unless you can't take sulphur.

The binding effect is faster than most things, it's cheap, it helps with lowering lactic acid.

My favorite trio was chlorella, bear garlic and MSM, that I kept rotating.

Charcoal, I barely felt anything, but it did help a bit. Clay, helped very minimally, but I rotated it too.

Magnesium citrate, I love that too. Mg is a must, in my opinion.

Keep working on binders, until you find your good and bad ones.

Omega 3 is also a must, in my opinion.