WHY CANT MY BODY RETAIN MAGNESIUM? a detailed look with answers explored.

WHY CANT MY BODY RETAIN MAGNESIUM? A detailed look at Mg.

RDA 400 mg/day is the bare minimum necessary to avoid severe consequences.

Wide array of diseases and symptoms of magnesium deficiency have to do with the fact that approximately 99% of your body’s magnesium is located in bone, muscles, and soft tissue. The other 1% of magnesium is found in plasma and red blood cells.

Soda, Caffeine, Medications, Stress, and Calcium supplements interfere with Mg absorption.

Today’s diets contain an average of ten times more calcium than magnesium.

Stress causes magnesium loss while, at the same time, getting adequate magnesium protects against stress.

It is common to see "adrenal overflow" with magnesium deficiency. You can't hold mag if you don't plug the leak & as all the studies show, if you have high adrenaline you waste magnesium in urine.

When you become ill, some of the cells in your body may become less efficient in holding on to magnesium. The cell membranes may break down, allowing more magnesium to leak out. The cell membrane pumps that pull magnesium back in may also be weakened by disease.

The end result is that disease itself can be a cause of magnesium deficiency. Since magnesium deficiency may have been one of the original causes of the disease, a vicious cycle of greater deficiency and increasingly severe disease may result.

A substantial minority of patients ... fail to improve after taking oral magnesium for months or even years. In these cases, administering magnesium by injection is necessary to overcome their medical problems."

I would suggest others have their adrenals tested as well. Perhaps they will need to plug the adrenal holes as it were before they fix the magnesium leakage problem.

Enhance storage sites for Mg. in bone and skeletal muscle by a regular and aggressive isometric and endurance exercise program.

Nutrition hacks:

Some people have also reported that if they experience the laxative affect when they first start taking a magnesium chloride product they can overcome this by starting out with small doses and then steadily increasing the dose over a two-week period so that the body can adjust. Take smaller doses of mag every few hours throughout the day divided into doses every 2 to 4 hours and when awakening during the night.

Vitamin B6 is required to absorb magnesium. Zinc can't be absorbed without B6 and you can't make vitamin D when you don't have any magnesium.

One possibility suggested by work in Norway about 10 years ago is to also increase potassium in the diet (or by supplement) along with magnesium. This dual therapy may overcome a renal "leakage" problem of magnesium.

A Taurine supplement is worth considering. taurine transports magnesium (and potassium) into cells (both these minerals should reside primarily inside rather than outside the cell). High urinary taurine usually indicates high loss of taurine rather than excess intake (blood and urine taurine levels can be tested to check this out).

Choline with magnesium supplements to enhance assimilation.

Prevent deficiency in any of the inexpensive nutrients that can prevent uptake of Mg: Copper, Boron, and Vitamin B-6. Common levels of supplementation are:

Copper 1 mg/day (Personal Note: inorganic forms may cause more harm than benefit)
Boron 3 mg/day
Vitamin B-6 38 mg/day

Mg is best given with Calcium...if not...there might be MORE spasms due to calcium blocking effect of magnesium doses (Personal note: most diets and hard water is high in calcium therefore supplementation is not recommended).

Magnesium+potassium+coenzyme Q10+aldactone thrice daily with meals for a week in patients with normal renal function for desired benefit. The later two would be able to retain intracellular and blood Mg.

Coconut oil is antifungal and three heaping tablespoons though the day seems more effective than anything else in preventing diarrhea from excess (therapeutic) doses of magnesium. Yet, we are told that magnesium, not the yeast + magnesium, is the cause of diarrhea.

If someone has low stomach acid, this can cause difficulty in breaking down various nutrients to an absorbable form. Chloride deficiency can cause low stomach acid. If someone had low stomach acid and they were taking magnesium oxide they could have difficulty in converting it to magnesium chloride for absorption.

Retention of magnesium may take up to a decade to correct.

It is theorized that CFS/Fibro et al. syndromes represent finitely variable combinations of multiple systemic dysfunctions which all share a common underlying etiology at the subcellular level: magnesium deficiency plus concomitant fluoride excess (MDFE).

Cautions:

Individuals may have an impaired ability to have a normal reabsorption in the renal nephron. They just excrete it. This suggests some kidney damage.

If cases of insulin resistance, it would also be difficult for the insulin-requiring cells to take up Mg. Insulin is necessary for Mg uptake in those tissues that require insulin.

Magnesium supplementation is known to interact with many different pharmaceutical drugs and it is wise to know what these are when treating patients. Certain drugs will increase the loss of magnesium in urine. Thus, taking these medications for long periods of time may contribute to magnesium depletion.

Magnesium may make tetracyclines (Doxy,Mino, etc) less effective. Take magnesium supplements 1-3 hours before or after ingesting tetracycline. Mg with Glipizide or Glyburide may further lower blood sugar leading to blurred vision, tremor (shaking), hunger, sweating, headache, skipped heartbeats, confusion, nervousness and extreme tiredness. Neurontin (Gabapentin) binds Mg in the GI tract and results in a malabsorption of both oral Mg and Neurontin (PDR says 24 percent).

Magnesium supplementation in with Lithium therapy, dehydration, Addison’s disease, Hypothyroidism or renal failure is contraindicated. Though extremely rare, severe magnesium intoxication is manifested by a sharp drop in blood pressure and respiratory paralysis. Disappearance of the patellar reflex is a useful clinical sign to detect the onset of magnesium intoxication. In the event of overdosage, artificial ventilation must be provided until a calcium salt can be injected intravenously to antagonize the effects of magnesium.

Resources:

DEPTH: http://www.mgwater.com/index.shtml

PUBMED: Magnesium Metabolism and its Disorders
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1855626/

FREE BOOKS ONLINE:

MAGNESIUM DEFICIENCY IN THE PATHOGENESIS OF DISEASE Early Roots of Cardiovascular, Skeletal and Renal Abnormalities by Mildred S. Seelig, M.D., M.P.H., F.A.C.N.
www.mgwater.com/Seelig/Magnesium-Deficiency-in-the-Pathogenesis-of-Disease/preface.shtml
MAGNESIUM: THE NUTRIENT THAT COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE by J. I. Rodale with Harald J. Taub
www.mgwater.com/rodtitle.shtml

These excerpts do not reflect my personal opinion as some were copied in the first person. My opinion is noted as 'Personal Note'.
Forms are not covered here. Mg Threonate warrants further investigation as it improves brain function: https://www.nootropedia.com/magnesium-threonate/
Consult your physician prior to supplementation.

mpost said...
a lot of information without covering a basic issue : the magnesium forms. i noticed you are aware of that and mentioned it not being covered, at the end of the text.... but really ... any discussion that is about supplementing magnesium should include a bit of counseling about the magnesium forms. otherwise someone will read your article, will go grab a ton of magnesium oxide and the only result will be a terrible bowel movement ...

Yes, starting from the basics, its about what kind of magnesium, and (people out there reading) dont get it confused with manganese. Its not this difficult for most people- some good points though. One thing is peoples milk addiction with the supplemented calcium in it. Milk drinkers get a lot of calcium, which will lower the mag levels. Drink milk?- take mag then.

The basics: dont use magnesium oxide, its a laxitive. READ THE BACK LABEL. Use magnesium that end in "ate", (many to choose from). Mag glycinate and mag citrate, mag malate, tourate ect - these are absorbable. 400mg at bed time is usually good. Some need more.

As far as testing goes, serum mag blood is not accurate. Red blood cel mag test is better. Intracellular blood mag is better yet (Spectrocell test has most minerals/vits tested for $400) - good base line.

Post Edited (astroman) : 10/8/2017 11:06:55 AM (GMT-6)

https://soundcloud.com/naturalhealth365/emf-pollution-and-disease-the-untold-truth

CA, in this interview, dr. K says that ion pumps get disrupted by EM radiation, breaking that mechanism of toxin elimination + nutrient absorption.

Cell walls ion pumps get broken, leaving the inside of the cells exposed to toxins.

He said that research shows how Calcium in cells is displaced by common levels of EM radiation.

He's not getting anymore good results with chelators, because of that : the patient gets chelators, heavy metals come out, but they are reabsorbed by open cells back inside again due to EM exposure 24hs.

So he said, that the only way is to raise cell potential again. He's suggesting ionic foot baths, done 2x a week for that.

my daughter had severe problems with her nails: selenium and other nutrients were not coming to her body. She did not need to have her nails cut for more than 5 years: they broke, like rice paper.

The moment we started using the violet ray, that I think raised cell potential (I feel literally being charged with energy), the situation changed: her nails started growing again, still weak, but certainly growing.

So part of the intake of selenium got better just by raising cell potential.

She's still fighting other mineral deficiencies though, such as iron. We're trying to fix the gut for that.

We have fought the same problem you fight with magnesium, with zinc. Any supplement with zinc would be totally refused by our bodies, like it were poison.

And as most lyme patients seem to suffer from that KPU problem, we all keep dumping off zinc without using it. Again, loss of an essential mineral!

I do think that this problem with EM radiation makes some sense. It could simply be that our cells are full of positively charged toxins such as heavy metals, and as ion pumps are broken or damaged, they won't let them go, unless you fix the pumps.

You can imagine that that nutriton absorption problem belongs also to many of us.
Just see how many supplements we all are (I mean, I'm less because lyme is dormant, but I was on tons of supplements, that felt somewhat good, but never enough).

Cell walls: could our problems be mainly that?

What we are eating today, is so much varied, richer than 100 years ago. Farmers were living with very few things in their dish, same veggie every day, for weeks, months. We eat varied, I try mostly organic things, take supplements in regular base and still, we all have nutrient deficiencies, lack of zinc, magnesium, manganese, selenium, iodine ....?!

I'm betting on that cell wall ion pump problem as being a big part of the cause.

Post Edited (Jinna) : 10/8/2017 2:50:41 PM (GMT-6)

Interesting stuff. We all assume we are deficient. I recently stopped taking my Magnesium at night because I am trying to figure out if anything makes my night tremors worse and guess what, my tremors are virtually gone. I've been taking 500mg a night for two years plus some epson salt baths. And I get the occasional magnesium shot every 2 months. Wonder if it's just too much.

thanks Georgia. It's what dr. K says: heavy metals go in the cells and don't know how to leave it, specially if the ion pumps are not working well.

So no good nutrients with same valence come in, because the cell is full.

There is also a sort of allergy, that he treats with applied kinesiology. Like the body reacts bad almost immediately to some minerals, or sulfur, or zinc... It's an immediate rejection of the body, which is different than a slow rejection after it goes through the whole body's digestive system...

That immediate rejection can be treated by applied kinesiology, it seems.

but to pull those heavy metals occupying the intracellular space off, is a hard task it seems.

I particularly suffered an INTENSE detox reaction just by raising the potential. AT least, that is how I understood what happened to me, when I used that high voltage device.

I understood that my body was craving those negative ions, like it craves for water and food.

Today, more than 2 years using the device, I keep telling people that while most people have food, water and walking outside / exercising as somehow sources of energy / nutrition / power, I have still ANOTHER, an extra source: high voltage.

It looks crazy, but I know that the energy I feel I get after branching me on that violet ray is something that I cannot get from food or sunlight only.

I'm glad to have found out one probable cause for that lowering of voltage (EMRadiation).
At least, it makes a bit of sense...

and that helps me answer why, if I don't branch myself on the Violet Ray, after a week or two, I will feel a CONSIDERABLE difference in energy level the days after I re-start it.

I always keep thinking: why do my cells keep losing potential? I eat well, sleep well, am not fighting that many active infections... and still, I feel I CRAVE high voltage if I don't use the device?


It's crazy to know that by displacing Calcium from cells all that voltage can go bad and that can cause problems with mineral or nutrient absorption!

How the heck can people heal, if they can't nourish themselves?

Post Edited (Jinna) : 10/9/2017 1:40:02 PM (GMT-6)

Is valence the only thing to consider in the list of contaminants that occupy the same group or is there an affinity hierarchy also? I know for instance with the halides that Fluoride has the strongest 'override' and it goes down the periodic column as far as strength or affinity as to what will override Iodine which is the essential element to the body but the weakest by order of the column, no? Is there a lesser/greater affinity in the relative group as we go down the periodic chart column?

Jinna, I listened to the Klinghardt soundcloud and it was interesting. Seems violet ray as well as ionic footbaths should be given consideration in addition to external EMF influences.

Leaky internal voltage was yet another reason to have my dental implants removed even though it only considered internal factors and didn't consider external influences.

I can feel my body absorb the Mg but it just doesn't retain it and I have to redose every 4 hours. The more frequently I take it the less the window of retention seems to be at times as I have been increasing frequency the whole time (down from 6 hour windows).

As far as the forms yes its important. Organic and whole food is always best but not always practical. I am using Life Extension brand which has many forms less threonate. There was another thread discussing forms so I didn't cover it, maybe I should have. My goal was to get something that wasn't discussed (anything at all) out to the rest of us. Had the intent been to publish the work I would have discussed forms and added citations.

Hey Georgia, thanks for all those numbers... It does make sense, I think, that we are constantly fighting infections.

But the question is Who is not? Everybody is, the whole time, non-stop, maybe even intra-uterus.

Everyone with chronic diseases have low valence, probably, that is why they became chronic (or after disease, they got low valence)... Chicken and egg story.

I wonder if so called 'healthy people' (if there are any such a thing as being 'healthy' today, as I start to have difficulty finding anyone really healthy...) would have higher valence in their cells.

I guess, like you say, it's a matter of layers and body problems, and what comes as a total sum at the end of the day...

Definitively, high magnetism / high voltage devices are helping me, by pulling toxins out.
The violet ray creates a detox reaction and an input of energy that are undeniable in my experience.

I'm also using an ionic tooth brush, that changed COMPLETELY the color of my gum in a matter of days after starting using it.

So these negative ions do push toxins out like a vacuum cleaner, I feel.

But I wonder: if our cells had higher valences, wouldn't they be doing that already, on their own?

I see Weston Price pictures of these jungle people smiling, all white perfect teeth!
They had no tooth brush, nor tooth paste, only good diets, no EMR either....

Where can you get violet light therapy?

I wish i knew about epsom transdermal absorption levels but epsom is what tipped me off that my chronic pain and inflammation was likely due to a magnesium deficiency as it was reduced after a week of adding a pinch of salts to my drinks. Then i decided to ramp up my tolerance and intake and discovered this was the solution to my decades of chronic pain. Doctors never suggested it once. Now i tolerate 3500-4000mg daily divided into 4 hour intervals and add transdermal Mg chloride when I feel pain before the 4 hour mark. I wish i could retain more so i could take it less, but i am not complaining. i am trying to take it to the next level.