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Posted 10/19/2017 1:13 AM (GMT 0)
Looking for advice regarding heavy metals and amalgams. I keep trying to ignore this issue but it keeps worrying me.

Here's my background:

-- I have more than a dozen amalgams and I'm a terrible detoxer. I had a blood test and mercury was in normal range, but I assume the test is pretty meaningless.

-- My four upper front teeth had cavities when my braces were removed. The cavities were filled and the teeth were bonded. Some years ago, half of one of those teeth broke off and I had to wait a couple of days before the dentist could fix it. There was a horrible bitter taste. Don't know if it was from mercury or the decay, but it was like the same taste when you get a filling.

-- Had a new amalgam filling about 2 years ago.

Potential Problems:
1. been taking liposomal glutathione for the past year
2. have taken 1-2 100mg alpha lipoic acid capsules for weeks at a time (recently stopped again)
3. take 5 grams modified citrus pectin before bed every night
4. occasionally take small doses (1/8 tsp) chlorella
5. just started oil pulling with coconut oil

I'm terrified of having them replaced and especially of chelation, which would be required, mainly because I'm already so toxic and have great difficulty detoxing.

Is removing the amalgams always necessary?

Is ANY chelation method safe? (At this point, I will not do IV treatment of any kind. I don't trust doctors and I know my body better than they do.)

WHEN is the right time to remove amalgams?

HOW do I make all these determinations? What do I base it on?

And of course, there's the cost. I have no job now and no income, so I'm living off my savings, which is quickly disappearing. I don't want to spend 10's of thousands on a risky procedure which may or may not be necessary.
Posted 10/19/2017 1:31 AM (GMT 0)
There are biological dentists who will safely remove the amalgams and replace with something less toxic to the body.

But removing a dozen will be several thousand dollars.

While I don't have a dozen, I do have some Mercury amalgams .
One of them chipped and I had it replaced in July. She was not a biological dentist. I had a rubber dam but no nasal oxygen.
To prepare, I took high doses of vitamin C several days prior.

The day of just prior to the appointment I opened up a couple capsules of activated charcoal and put it in some water and swallowed it to coat my throat and stomach.

After the procedure I did the Activated Charcoal a few times a day for a few days.

There were a few more things I did - but can't remember. I may have notes on it somewhere.

I did not have a worsening of my symptoms after the procedure.
That was three months ago - so I think I'm safe now.
Posted 10/19/2017 5:41 AM (GMT 0)
I'm no expert because I haven't had an an album filling but I have read some of Andy Cutlers work here and there, and many consider him an expert. I know that he recommends no chelation until amalgams are removed, and ALA is one of his chosen chelators. He also recommends no chlorella because it is a chelator, but poorly bonds to heavy metals so they just get redistributed.
Posted 10/19/2017 10:59 AM (GMT 0)
I would personally only remove 1 or 2 at a time. Girlie's suggestions were good. I am not sure about the heavy duty chelators like dmsa. I followed about 5 rounds of cutler's protocol and had some bad migraines and developed a fun new symptom of fine jaw tremor. I found I could not wait as long in between dosing dmsa - i have always been a fast metabolizer. I now do occasional ala (maybe 2x a week), lip glut, drink amazing grass green powder, nac and modified citrus pectin.

Sounds like you are already doing a lot of good detox things. Maybe add in sauna sessions if you can?
Posted 10/19/2017 11:09 AM (GMT 0)
And also, I think if you're sick and not getting better, it is probably necessary to remove amalgams. Especially if you're a bad detoxer. Have you ever did the hair & mineral heavy metal test? I ran it on my kids and found it very useful. Their levels closely mirrored mine (specifically our uranium level which we had in well water). My test was provoked iv dmsa. Both through Doctors Data. There are some tricks to interpreting hair test and I read a good book that helped - i would have to search kindle for title. Trust your instincts and don't overburden your body. Let us know what you decide!
Posted 10/19/2017 12:47 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
There are biological dentists who will safely remove the amalgams and replace with something less toxic to the body.

But removing a dozen will be several thousand dollars.

While I don't have a dozen, I do have some Mercury amalgams .
One of them chipped and I had it replaced in July. She was not a biological dentist. I had a rubber dam but no nasal oxygen.
To prepare, I took high doses of vitamin C several days prior.

The day of just prior to the appointment I opened up a couple capsules of activated charcoal and put it in some water and swallowed it to coat my throat and stomach.

After the procedure I did the Activated Charcoal a few times a day for a few days.

There were a few more things I did - but can't remember. I may have notes on it somewhere.

I did not have a worsening of my symptoms after the procedure.
That was three months ago - so I think I'm safe now.

While not super cheap, the removal and refilling by a biological dentist is not as much as I thought it would be. My dentist charges $250 per tooth. I have 2 that I am going to have done.

On a side note... it's crazy how expensive implants are. I recently had a tooth pulled due to it being cracked and infected. The extraction itself was under $200. But with the grafting and implant, it would have ran me over $5K. It is toward the back of my mouth, so I am leaving it for now. My main concern was getting rid of the infection.

So... I needed root planing and scaling as I have moderate gum disease and needed this taken care of as I feel it was hindering my recovery with Lyme. Had the entire mouth done on Monday for just over $1K. Having my root canal extracted and a partial put in in 10 days. And then having the amalgams replaced after that. The entire process of getting my mouth sterile is about half the price of one dental implant. Crazy!
Posted 10/19/2017 1:37 PM (GMT 0)

k07 said...
And also, I think if you're sick and not getting better, it is probably necessary to remove amalgams. Especially if you're a bad detoxer. Have you ever did the hair & mineral heavy metal test? I ran it on my kids and found it very useful. Their levels closely mirrored mine (specifically our uranium level which we had in well water). My test was provoked iv dmsa. Both through Doctors Data. There are some tricks to interpreting hair test and I read a good book that helped - i would have to search kindle for title. Trust your instincts and don't overburden your body. Let us know what you decide!

The doctor I just saw uses Doctors Data. I'm scared to do the IV dmsa test. I'm too scared to even do IV glutathione or Vit C. That's a big reason why the whole thing about replacing amalgams freaks me out so much.

Also, if you only get a few done at a time, which I would have to do since I have so many, how do you detox the mercury afterwards while you still have a bunch more fillings in your mouth?
Posted 10/19/2017 1:42 PM (GMT 0)

k07 said...
And also, I think if you're sick and not getting better, it is probably necessary to remove amalgams. Especially if you're a bad detoxer. Have you ever did the hair & mineral heavy metal test? I ran it on my kids and found it very useful. Their levels closely mirrored mine (specifically our uranium level which we had in well water). My test was provoked iv dmsa. Both through Doctors Data. There are some tricks to interpreting hair test and I read a good book that helped - i would have to search kindle for title. Trust your instincts and don't overburden your body. Let us know what you decide!

Can you give more info on the hair & mineral heavy metal test? As in how to acquire and/or get one done.
Posted 10/19/2017 1:53 PM (GMT 0)

countingstarsx said...
I'm no expert because I haven't had an an album filling but I have read some of Andy Cutlers work here and there, and many consider him an expert. I know that he recommends no chelation until amalgams are removed, and ALA is one of his chosen chelators. He also recommends no chlorella because it is a chelator, but poorly bonds to heavy metals so they just get redistributed.

I haven't read Cutler's book but I have read a lot of forum discussions about him here and on phoenixrising. I knew what he said about ALA, but I was brave enough to take it anyway. I have the 100 mg capsules and took 1 a day for about 6-7 weeks. I started having odd pain in my head and mouth and had the feeling I was pulling metals, so I stopped. I've also had feelings like that with charcoal when I first started and with citrus pectin, which is supposed to be a gentle chelator/binder.

For me, I feel like I need to slowly remove metals as much as I can before getting dental work done. I have mold toxicity, too, so I have to take some kind of binders.

Any suggestions on the best binders/chelators to slowly remove metals while I still have amalgams? In my first post, I listed all the ones I take. I forgot to list NAC. Any insight into the best way or combinations to take things for this?
Posted 10/19/2017 2:09 PM (GMT 0)

Hoagie said...

k07 said...
And also, I think if you're sick and not getting better, it is probably necessary to remove amalgams. Especially if you're a bad detoxer. Have you ever did the hair & mineral heavy metal test? I ran it on my kids and found it very useful. Their levels closely mirrored mine (specifically our uranium level which we had in well water). My test was provoked iv dmsa. Both through Doctors Data. There are some tricks to interpreting hair test and I read a good book that helped - i would have to search kindle for title. Trust your instincts and don't overburden your body. Let us know what you decide!

Can you give more info on the hair & mineral heavy metal test? As in how to acquire and/or get one done.

I ordered the test from Direct Labs. The test is through Doctors Data. The cost is $119. Just type in "hair" in the search box and the test will come up.

If you color your hair, you will need to use hair elsewhere (-: Since I did this for my kids I was able to cut small pieces from various places (the kit gives directions). You basically use the inch closest to scalp. The test does only show what you are excreting. I will see if I can find the book I used that helped interpret results.
Posted 10/19/2017 2:12 PM (GMT 0)

k07 said...

Hoagie said...

k07 said...
And also, I think if you're sick and not getting better, it is probably necessary to remove amalgams. Especially if you're a bad detoxer. Have you ever did the hair & mineral heavy metal test? I ran it on my kids and found it very useful. Their levels closely mirrored mine (specifically our uranium level which we had in well water). My test was provoked iv dmsa. Both through Doctors Data. There are some tricks to interpreting hair test and I read a good book that helped - i would have to search kindle for title. Trust your instincts and don't overburden your body. Let us know what you decide!

Can you give more info on the hair & mineral heavy metal test? As in how to acquire and/or get one done.

I ordered the test from Direct Labs. The test is through Doctors Data. The cost is $119. Just type in "hair" in the search box and the test will come up.

If you color your hair, you will need to use hair elsewhere (-: Since I did this for my kids I was able to cut small pieces from various places (the kit gives directions). You basically use the inch closest to scalp. The test does only show what you are excreting. I will see if I can find the book I used that helped interpret results.

Thank you.
Posted 10/19/2017 4:58 PM (GMT 0)
I visited the bio dentist yesterday. I had a fixed bridge come loose and I was very concerned about connecting teeth. Everything was in good shape and the dentist cleaned and re cemented. No issue. Wondering if the loose crown has anything to do with feeling so crappy.

I am now scheduled to have 3 small amalgrams replaced on November 8th.

I've read alot online about detoxing prior to and after procedure, but just looking for other opinions for dental procedures.

In currently doing bentonite clay once a day and activated charcoal twice daily... Thx!
Posted 10/19/2017 5:48 PM (GMT 0)

Hoagie said...



While not super cheap, the removal and refilling by a biological dentist is not as much as I thought it would be. My dentist charges $250 per tooth. I have 2 that I am going to have done.

Wow that's not a bad price at all. It takes an hour at least to do the job... (well in my case it did) he's not making a lot of money...lol.
I doubt if most Biological Dentists are that reasonable.
But, even at that price, for a dozen teeth - it's still going to be $3,000.
Posted 10/19/2017 7:58 PM (GMT 0)

WalkingbyFaith said...


I haven't read Cutler's book but I have read a lot of forum discussions about him here and on phoenixrising. I knew what he said about ALA, but I was brave enough to take it anyway. I have the 100 mg capsules and took 1 a day for about 6-7 weeks. I started having odd pain in my head and mouth and had the feeling I was pulling metals, so I stopped. I've also had feelings like that with charcoal when I first started and with citrus pectin, which is supposed to be a gentle chelator/binder.
For me, I feel like I need to slowly remove metals as much as I can before getting dental work done. I have mold toxicity, too, so I have to take some kind of binders.

Stop using chlorella and other chellators if you have amalgams. You can hurt yourself badly if you continue, you have to remove amalgams and then chelate, there is no other way. Amalgams are continuously leaking mercury into your body so without removing it you can't get better (assuming mercury is your issue). If you want to learn more read Amalgam Illness by Cutler or this book https://www.amazon.com/Mercury-Poisoning-Undiagnosed-David-Hammond/dp/1494747898
After removing amalgams chelate with Cutler style, it was proven by thousands people to be safe and effective.
Some people are travelling to Mexico for amalgam removal, it is much cheaper there. Join this group and read all files here, it's basically life saving information https://www.facebook.com/groups/acfanatics/
Posted 10/19/2017 8:08 PM (GMT 0)
no ALA with mercury fillings!!

chlorella is probably fine since its not a true chelator. Pectin also fine.

I had mine out and am very happy I did, good decision
Posted 10/19/2017 8:16 PM (GMT 0)

Lapis_29 said...

chlorella is probably fine since its not a true chelator. Pectin also fine.

Chlorella is not fine if you are mercury toxic, there are people out there who got terribly worse after using chlorella. It just redistributes heavy metals over your body, you don't want to risk that
Posted 10/19/2017 8:28 PM (GMT 0)
So what's the best way to prepare for removals? I am 2 week out.
Posted 10/19/2017 8:43 PM (GMT 0)
Purrrsiankitty: I could post chapter from Hammond's book regarding removal tomorrow if you are interested
Posted 10/19/2017 8:45 PM (GMT 0)

Yellow Cat said...

Lapis_29 said...

chlorella is probably fine since its not a true chelator. Pectin also fine.

Chlorella is not fine if you are mercury toxic, there are people out there who got terribly worse after using chlorella. It just redistributes heavy metals over your body, you don't want to risk that

you are probably right
Posted 10/19/2017 9:00 PM (GMT 0)

Purrrsiankitty said...
So what's the best way to prepare for removals? I am 2 week out.

just before the procedure swallow a bunch of activated charcoal capsules.

AC is not a chelator, but it will bind to free floating mercury from the procedure and remove it. best thing you can do
Posted 10/19/2017 9:10 PM (GMT 0)
btw, for those who dont know Andy Cutler recently passed on.

Heart attack,

Post Edited (Lapis_29) : 10/19/2017 7:37:17 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/19/2017 9:31 PM (GMT 0)

Lapis_29 said...

Purrrsiankitty said...
So what's the best way to prepare for removals? I am 2 week out.

just before the procedure swallow a bunch of activated charcoal capsules.

AC is not a chelator, but it will bind to free floating mercury from the procedure and remove it. best thing you can do

thanks!
Posted 10/19/2017 9:33 PM (GMT 0)

Yellow Cat said...
Purrrsiankitty: I could post chapter from Hammond's book regarding removal tomorrow if you are interested

. I'll take all you got 😊
Posted 10/20/2017 1:23 AM (GMT 0)
You could also open up the capsules and try to coat your throat...as well
Posted 10/20/2017 4:51 PM (GMT 0)
Purrrsiankitty: I uploaded chapter about amalgam removal from book Mercury Poisoning: The Undiagnosed Epidemic /imgur.com/a/qYRlX
Do you plan to start chelation after removal?
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