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Posted 8/26/2017 8:27 PM (GMT 0)
Jenna - Always happy to Chat 😀
Posted 10/30/2017 1:05 AM (GMT 0)
Updates? Still feeling good?
Posted 10/30/2017 2:13 AM (GMT 0)
Hi. Yes, doing very well. I was back for a 3rd visit in September, and my body still has issues with parasites. I was given a new custom homeopathic, and suffice it to say it was much stronger than the previous ones. And I am seeing results. I am sleeping much better as well. I am extremely tired, but I make time to rest and it's going great. I am working full time, working out some and doing things like agility and nose work classes with my dogs. October was seriously busy, and with an extra. AP or two I've made it thru with flying colors... I could not have done it before hansa.

For the first time in 15 years my blood work in September showed dramatic improvement in things like absorption, magnesium, protein and cholesterol... those things and others were always critically low and normalized wonderfully.
Posted 10/30/2017 2:35 AM (GMT 0)
That is wonderful and fantastic to hear!!! Yay!!!

Do you feel like they are equipped to handle very complicated cases? I've had daily fevers for over a year, IGG subclass counts in the toilet, extremely low CD57 (18), blood clots, c diff, etc. I want to go somewhere where they have seen it all and been able to treat complicated cases.

Also, do they rely solely on IV therapies? I'm unable to get IVs due to blood clots so I'm wondering if I should even
Bother considering it. Thanks for your insight and info!! And keep on healing!!!
Posted 10/30/2017 3:06 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Evanston1. I am a complicated case, lol.... 20+ years and counting. We still are dealing with layers, but the improvement is real.

They specialize in complicated in my opinion. Not every place works for everyone. That we all just figure out in our own, but they work very hard and very seriously to handle every person. They want to see healing.

They are a homeopathic clinic, and they don't use IVs. I had very thick blood, which is common, and really struggled trying to do UBI... while that treatment gave me great relief, it didn't account for all of the issues, and my veins couldn't take the amount of treatment required.

Their therapies are essentially sauna, massage, st8, Bemer,pemf, lux, power plate and customized homeopathy.

At first, my body was prioritizing Lyme/Bart/babesia, ebv and parasites, with ammonia toxicity being right there. At my last visit, parasites and ammonia were the biggest issues, but my body was living symbiotically with the bacteria and ebv. Ammonia toxicity happens with die off, and I had been having a lot of die off, so it all makes sense.

I just know that I am dealing well with life, the anxiety and paranoia and fear are under control. That, alone, is worth its weight in gold.

I believe in hansa and will keep going there until i am well.
Posted 12/26/2017 6:51 PM (GMT 0)
Hi there, wondering if you're continuing to do well after your visit in September? Thank you for posting and great to hear such positive stories
Posted 12/26/2017 8:35 PM (GMT 0)
Hi, RMMD. Yes, I am doing quite well. I will go for another Hansa visit in the beginning of January. It will be my 4th. I can't wait to uncover more things. Since September, I have been fighting the parasites, and it is apparent that I was/am overrun. My body is figuring out how to eliminate them now without homeopathy which is awesome! Overall my energy is much better... we hosted a party for 90, cooking dinner and everything. I actually felt like baking this year and made 9 batches of cookies. I surprised myself. I was wiped out for a full week afterwards, but the fact that I could create the energy to spend 3 days preparing is a win. On the head scratcher side of things, I am still having detoxification issues. My body just is not good at that function. I still deal with bodyaches and weird joint issues and fatigue, but I definitely don't feel sick all the time like I did a year ago ... and those issues are a lesser intensity. We have changed up the binder and it is helping. I still have glucose issues that are a result of this chronic illness, but I assume we haven't reached the layer yet that solves that puzzle. It's a BIG puzzle piece I am sure... but we will keep working. Small continuous improvements.

All in all, I am so completely, utterly happy that I chose this path of Hansa Center.
Posted 1/17/2018 2:59 AM (GMT 0)
Update from Hansa visit #4 January 2018 -- things continue to progress further. My blood tests were dramatically better in all regards. I continue to show that my body is handling the Lyme/Bart/Babs and all is in balance. EBV is also being handled, and parasites were only found in my small intestine this time, instead of systemically everywhere. Ammonia was also in balance. The docs have begun to do some cool things related to genetics and which vitamins/minerals etc. go with which SNP. It's not at all the same thing as doing a 23 and Me or similar, but they can figure out certain blockages now. I'm sure that this new stream of testing will continue to grow and mature as they learn more. We also did some very cool things related to autoimmunity that has really created some turmoil the last few days.... but even though we are still in the road to discovery, I am definitely on the road to recovery, and each visit digs down to new layers. It's very exciting, and I am more hopeful than ever for a new life of wellness. Not only do I feel better, with better energy and less confusion and pain, I can see the future, healthy me.

I have met the most wonderful people at the clinic and it's wonderful when you meet someone there that you have spent time with during a previous visit. So much positivity and support.

I don't come out here very often anymore simply because life is happening off my computer now. Please message if you have any specific questions.

Sincerely, 3Hump
Posted 1/17/2018 3:28 AM (GMT 0)
3HumpedCamel,

Thank you for updating us. Updates like this are so important for those of us still struggling. I'm a complicated case, too, but I'm having to do the best I can to figure out as much as I can on my own through trial and error with the help of the awesome people on this forum.
Posted 1/17/2018 3:44 AM (GMT 0)
WalkingbyFaith, we are all different and need our own healing path. I'm a very different person than before I started this journey. The struggles have made me stronger, more understanding and better. I wish for everyone struggling with chronic illness success in their healing journey. The folks on this forum are so well versed that you're in the right place. Trial and error is tough but you learn so much!
Posted 1/17/2018 2:45 PM (GMT 0)
Hi 3HumpedCamel,

I just want to express how happy I am for you with all the progress you made!! I didn't go to Hansa though there was a time when I was thinking of going (if Jernigan's Healing at Home protocol didn't work for me). One day I would like to meet Dr. Jernigan in person just to shake his hand for saving my life.

Also, it's so true what you wrote about addressing ammonia and parasites (which I did both). Anyway, enjoy your good health and thanks for keeping everyone updated. People need a ray of hope. smile

Denise
Posted 1/17/2018 4:31 PM (GMT 0)
Hey, Deejavu - I do remember you healed with Jernigan's protocol, and that is so amazing. I have found thru this journey that there were so many previous malfunctions beyond Lyme. We are still uncovering things that need to balance, haha -- I did fail to mention that my hubby is doing super great as well. He did not need treatment at all this trip, so he is already on maintenance.

Thank you for writing!
Posted 3/23/2018 8:50 PM (GMT 0)
Deejavu and 3humpedcamel - your experiences have prompted me to order Jernigans book (and continue to contemplate the center).

Your experiences are encouraging me because you both seemed to have complicated cases - which my wife definitely is. He seems to take a good natural, whole body approach.

Hope you both are doing well
Posted 3/24/2018 3:40 AM (GMT 0)
Hi BDRoland, hubs and I are still doing really well. I hope you find some help for your wife. Hansa is all about balancing the body to differentiate when intruders are out of balance to the good guys. It has made an amazing difference in our quality of life!
Posted 3/24/2018 5:17 AM (GMT 0)
3HumpedCamel,

First of all, I'm delighted to hear that you and your husband are doing really well. Looking back, I'm ashamed of how much I took my health for granted for so many years. Although my health was never "perfect," there were few things I couldn't do. Being unwell has been incredibly humbling.

Next, regarding the Hansa Center, I've been in touch with them, but have been hesitant to pull the trigger and go for an in-person visit. Last summer, I actually completed their intake paperwork and Dr. Jernigan reviewed it. Based on what I wrote, he felt there was a chance they might be able to help me.

(For anyone else reading this, the Hansa Center doesn't automatically accept everyone as a patient. Potential patients complete a detailed intake form, Dr. Jernigan reviews it, and tries to assess whether or not the clinic might be able to help the patient. If he feels there's a low likelihood, the Hansa Center will work to find another doctor or clinic that can.)

Well, a few weeks back, I contacted the Hansa Center again, to see if there were any price changes and to check their schedule. Since it had been a while since I completed the intake paperwork, they sent me an updated copy and asked me to complete it. But, since then, I've been dragging my feet about it.

I've been trying to understand why, because my doing nothing isn't getting me where I want to be. Certainly, it's not cheap. Although I quit my job in January and remain intentionally unemployed, I *had* planned to visit Hansa and spend the money. But, again, I've been hesitating.

Now, I think the main two reasons why are:

1. If they can't help me, I will have "wasted" about $15,000 (clinic, travel, food, hotel, supplements, etc.)
2. I believe homeopathy is a large part of their treatments. No homeopathy has EVER worked for me.

There are a few reasons I started considering the Hansa Center. Mostly, it was due to the inspiring posts by Heathersdad and Deejavu.

Because of them, I read about Dr. Jernigan, read his blog, subscribed to his newsletter, watched his YouTube videos, and listened to the various podcasts where he appeared. His approach of restoring optimum function to the body (as much as possible) so that the body can heal itself (again, as much as possible) sounded more appealing than trying to carpet bomb individual components in the body with pharmaceuticals, as testing is neither perfect nor all-encompassing. I'm not against using pharmaceuticals, but I think the body - if able to function closer to optimal - has more innate wisdom and ability.

So, in light of your experience, plus what I've written, have you any words of wisdom? smile

While writing such a large check may cause me to go into shock and/or have explosive diarrhea, I don't mind spending the money, provided I gain significant benefit. But, again, the homeopathy angle concerns me, assuming I'm even correct about its use.

Thank you for the consideration.

The Dude
Posted 3/24/2018 12:22 PM (GMT 0)
Hi all,

3HumpedCamel,

I'm so happy to read that you and your husband are still doing great! I'm doing very good as well considering I have been (and still am) a full time caregiver for my elderly Mom who has vascular dementia (she is 92 years young). I have been mindful of any stressors as I don't want to relapse. I recently started Gaia Adrenal support (figure it can't hurt me).


BDRoland,

Good for you for ordering Jernigan's book! I think most of my suffering came from toxins (this was before I was diagnosed and knew nothing about detoxing). I still continue to detox and will probably detox for the rest of my life because I believe I live in a toxic world and it keeps my immune system strong.

Detoxing became a habit for me like brushing my false teeth smile Run the water (dry skin brush as water is running), add the salts and hydrogen peroxide and soak away!


TheDudeAbides,

As far as going to Hansa and spending the money, no, you don't have a guarantee that they can help you. It's a risk but you have done your research, watched Hansa videos, listened to podcasts, etc.

They can test you and design botanicals that can help you. I don't believe you will waste your money as they will get you going in the right direction. Just being able for them to pinpoint what your problems are (or what's stopping you from getting better) is worth it in my opinion.

You took a risk quitting your job and you are happy about it, now it's time to consider taking another risk. That's what life is all about!

Talking about risks, I spent over $30,000 getting bone grafts and implants in my mouth with no guarantee that those implants would last forever, so far so good! (I had lost my top teeth from an accident when I was 17 years old, then bottom teeth were falling out around 8 years ago)..

Something to ponder...

Denise
Posted 3/24/2018 7:00 PM (GMT 0)
Deejavu,

Thank you, dear lady! I'm always happy to "see" you and read your posts. I'd considered e-mailing you, but I knew you had a lot on your plate. So, I'm glad you saw my note and I appreciate your feedback.

I'm really sorry for your Mom's suffering. Obviously, that can't be easy for you, either, both from the demands of her care, as well as seeing her in that condition. You're a saint for caring for her around-the-clock. I'm not so sure I would have what it takes to do the same, were I in your place. Bless you both.

The Dude
Posted 3/24/2018 8:28 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Dude Abides. Your post is amazing in the fact that I truly love the amount of research and thoughtfulness you have in there. You have done what I encourage folks to do if they are considering this route. Call Hansa. Fill out the paperwork. Ask questions. Watch the videos. That doesn't cost anything but some time.

It is important that folks like me tell our story. Just as important for folks who were not helped to tell their story. Information and each other is al we have when we fight the complex issues like lyme.

I was like you and took my health for granted. Even when it was sliding downhill, I always thought I could fix it myself, not realizing the severity. Now, we've lost our opportunity for children and before Hansa, I was clinging to the cliff, wondering some days if it was even worth it...

As for Hansa, I honestly stumbled on the videos. I would spend my nights going thru YouTube watching others' stories. I am the opposite of you in the fact that I have used natural healthcare for 15+ years to try and regain my health. The first adjustment we made was to change our nutrition. We got an infrared sauna. I didn't do so much homeopathy. It was mostly vitamins/supplements and getting rid of plastic and microwaves soda and fast food and so on.

So, Hansa absolutely resonated with us upon watching the first video since we liked a more holistic approach. After my kidney stopped working followed by the Lyme diagnosis as the cause of that problem, I was terrified and I did 2 years of abx initially, which was hard for me because of that holistic mindset. I also did the whole CIRS protocol for mold. I was worse afterwards. I tried many other modalities after that and was looking for the next when I found hansa videos. I was obsessed, lol.

I saw my first hansa video after thanksgiving 2016 and we were at hansa for our two week visit in January 2017. I was also worried about the money and the process not working. I know absolutely that none of this is any guarantee, and I have tried so many things...

Our decision to go came down to a serious conversation of pros and cons ... if it works then we get our life back. If it fails, I know that I will come out on the other side wiser and with a lot more knowledge. The thought of 10 hours with a doctor in a 2 week period was very appealing.

After 14 months and 4 visits, I still have issues to work thru. I will go back in may for my 5th, and my hubby will have his 3rd follow-up.

This part, I cannot emphasize enough. I have learned more than I ever thought possible by going to Hansa. I may never be perfect, but I am living my life. I am happy, far more balanced physically and emotionally. I am not the same person today that walked into that clinic 14 months ago. I am better, wiser, happier. I don't take things for granted anymore. I am calm, and I am at peace with where I am in life today.

Hansa is not for everyone. My advice to you is that if it isn't resonating and if you don't believe the homeopathy can help, it may not be the right time. I have absolutely surrendered myself to the Hansa process. I don't even have another doctor besides my hansa doc right now ... which really isn't smart since we are a 12 hour drive away 😅😅 - but, my point is, I believe in the homeopathic process. I know that it works for me and my hubby, and I will always recommend it to people who have no success with other modalities. But, I also think you need to look forward to it and see the great possibilities of success and believe it can work...

One more thing, Hansa looks at blood work, thermography changes to stress (a cold room), things like scars, surgeries, concussions, emotional traumas and on and on and on. It's not guesswork. The homeopathy is amazing, and they use that plus supplements plus exercises as treatment. I have reacted to taking it in my doc's office within minutes of ingestion. It is extremely powerful.

Deejavu - glad you are still doing well!
Posted 3/24/2018 9:46 PM (GMT 0)
3HumpedCamel - I just wanted to thank you for continuing to come back here and post updates on how well you are doing.

We really appreciate it...gives hope and encouragement to the members. smile
Posted 3/25/2018 2:04 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Girlie. I'm happy to do so. i have hope that we all find our path and know enough to say it won't be the same for all of us. Dude Abides hit the nail on the head when he said sickness is humbling. It is humbling indeed.
Posted 3/25/2018 11:08 AM (GMT 0)
3HumpedCamel, I'm also happy that you come back and post updates. People need hope so badly and need to know that there are members who have gotten better.

Dude Abides, you can e-mail me anytime. Yes, caregiving is a full time job but I still have free time. My Mom's health is pretty good and I'm lucky that my Mom is so sweet and still has her sense of humor. What makes me sad is watching her dementia progress. I am her memory.

Have you read GWB aka Gary and his wife Rhonda's posts when they went to Hansa? Today they are both doing great!

Denise
Posted 3/25/2018 1:53 PM (GMT 0)
3HumpedCamel,

Thank you so much for sharing so much detail and for mentioning that you did the whole CIRS protocol for mold, and you were still worse afterwards. I have mold, too, and know it is a factor in my symptoms and all. I went to a Functional MD 1.5 years ago who diagnosed me with CIRS. She put me on glutathione and fish oil to start with and a month later started me on cholestyramine. The CSM made me intolerably worse, and I stopped after 11 days. It was after that when I questioned the negative WB for Lyme and got more testing that I ended up with a positive test for Lyme and ehrlichia. I ended up leaving that doctor and treating myself with Buhner's protocols. While I don't have as many symptoms now as I did then, I feel sicker on a deeper level now than I did then. Mold is never off my mind. I will have to always consider that factor.

I'm just glad you made that point about the CIRS protocol. I suspect it may work very well for those who are only affected by mold, but with Lyme and coinfections, there are simply too many unknown and poorly understood variables that affect treatment outcomes, especially of rigid treatments like that one.

So glad you are doing well. I hope and pray we all get well and maintain our health long term.
Posted 3/25/2018 5:31 PM (GMT 0)
Hi WalkingbyFaith - I had Lyme positively diagnosed right off, but by LYME DOC was also a Shoemaker doc, so CIRS was a natural progression when the abx failed. Genetically, I was a multi type, and that definitely complicates things considerably and I agree that if you're mold only the protocol likely works pretty well if you get away from the toxic environment.

Surrendering myself to the Hansa process relieved so much stress and took so much weight off my shoulders that I imagine that step helped me immediately.
Posted 3/25/2018 9:24 PM (GMT 0)
3HumpedCamel,

I'm limited on time, at the moment, but I wanted to sincerely thank you for such a detailed and helpful reply! What you wrote was very encouraging and helpful! As Girlie mentioned, it's very thoughtful and appreciated to have people post their successes. Thank you!

The Dude
Posted 3/26/2018 4:23 AM (GMT 0)
Hey Dude Abides, i do not post often on here these days but I just see your post concerning the center.
I have been going to the clinic for just over two years now.

I second everything Denise has said, if you have an uneasy feeling or just do not have the confidence that this type of clinic is what you need it probably is not the best thing for you.
I love my Hansa doctor, he has managed to find a remedy for about every symptom I have thrown at him. I am not cured or symptom free yet. There have been several symptom free days though, my big milestone last year was getting to exercise for the first time in six years or so without getting extremely ill afterwards.
Last year (after 1 year of treatment) i was nearly in remission. I was feeling awesome, life had never been better. Not so great things happened in life and set me back on my butt, which i have not entirely recovered from yet. My Hansa dr is the one who has the answers for how I feel and he has the remedies that help me feel better.
My DO and ND, did not have any real answers or solutions to offer when things went south for me last year. So I personally have been sold very well on how Hansa works and I have had great results myself.

I have met many people at Hansa, some of which only visited the clinic once or twice. Not one of the people I have kept up with has said their two week visit was a waste for them. They have all been impressed. Usually it is travel, time or money related when people do not return from what I have seen.
My doctor has told me that they do have some people that come and are against what they do from day one, he now asks people on day 1-are you here because you want to be here or is it against your will?
When he says against your own will he means are you at the clinic because you have to, someone talked you in to it but you aren't sold, or you just straight out don't care.
In other words, if you aren't going in with at least a positive mind that this could be your ticket to better health save your pennies and go somewhere else.

My Hansa dr is very dynamic in what all he has used for my treatment. He will do extensive blood work when need be but once you get established, they try to cut out anything that is no longer needed.
I have been to the clinic 8 times now, after my 4th wish visit my doctor started eliminating therapies to make it less expensive. Nowadays I do not even have to do the whole battery of tests, just standard blood work and show up to the doctor appointment.

I have experienced nothing but good results going to the clinic. The staff is awesome but it is expensive so you should weigh your options before pulling the trigger on any LLMD or clinic.
The Hansa center is not the perfect golden ticket for everyone, do not expect instant results. Expect to return at least once. If you go in and expect to be cured in two weeks then never need your Hansa dr again, you will be dissapointed.
I have met people there who were sent home after their initial two weeks with a return only if you need to note. It does happen that some people are set after 1-2 visits. Before life bit me, I was nearly in remission after 2 visits and a few email consults.
On the other hand I have met just as many people who are on their 5,6,7,8th visit and they know they will take a while to get their body back on track. I am one of those people, my Hansa dr told me on friday that I was a more difficult case than expected and that my whole journey to healing has not been as easy as some people.
Feel free to email me if you have any questions, I love to talk.
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