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Posted 7/21/2017 5:08 PM (GMT 0)
You know how it goes with Lyme, something changes with your body you need to know if it has any connection to the illness.

So on Monday I got this huge canker sore inside my bottom lip. It hurts to all hell and I've tried all sorts of different remedies to resolve the issue. I have gotten canker sores from time to time but I don't think I have had one since I've been sick these last 3 years, and usually they aren't this big. Could this canker sore mean anything or is it just a random thing that happened? Just wasn't sure if this was a good sign of immune response or something like they say when you get sick.
Posted 7/21/2017 5:52 PM (GMT 0)
Simian viruses are acting up and replicating ...up your lysine maybe ...bvt got rid of mine ...propolis ,coconut and lysine as a paste helped relieve them
Posted 7/21/2017 9:55 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Joe -

Sorry about the cankor sore - but you're right. It's a sign of a few things -

- your body is run down, which has allowed the simian virus (HSV-1) that is already inside your body - most people have it by adulthood - to surge, replicate.
- your immune system is a bit overwhelmed and probably needs some support, too.

But no, the cankor sore is not a typical "immune response" symptom and not a good sign, generally. It's directly related to the virus and indicates your viral load is higher than it should be.

A high viral load can tax the body and interfere w/ Lyme & Co treatment. Your immune system is already dealing with all it can handle so it's best to reduce your viral load. Some people have good luck with natural antivirals like Lysine and the others bluelyme suggested. I did not and have had to be on high doses of antiviral Rx. Please talk w/ your LLMD about options!

-p
Posted 7/21/2017 11:27 PM (GMT 0)
I also have been having canker sores, they happen like every other week.

I did step up my Bart herbal treatment dosage a bit 3 weeks ago.

thanks to all of you for all these great answers and thanks to Joe183288 for posting the question.
Take care, Jo
Posted 10/31/2017 2:40 PM (GMT 0)
Lifetime canker sore sufferer. Lysine definitely helps and was my go to. A few months ago I started to use Frankincense and Melaleuca essential oil by doTERRA. I put a drop on my finger and put on both the sore and roof of my mouth. It's been a miracle for me. I don't know if I'm totally cured but it's a rarity to get one. I used to have them weekly. Hope this helps someone out there.
Posted 10/31/2017 6:21 PM (GMT 0)
Hi and welcome to our forum Jamzila73,

Thanks for offering help to others.

This is an older post so some of them might not see this and respond.

Do you have Lyme and co.?

If so we encourage all new members to read our"New to Lyme" start here thread at the top of the page.


It has useful and important information about testing, symptoms, detoxing and more.


Take care and thanks again, Jo
Posted 11/1/2017 1:41 AM (GMT 0)
I thought cankor sores could have something to do with your stomach being off. Even possibly candida

Just a thought!!
Posted 11/1/2017 3:23 PM (GMT 0)
IDK. I get them all the time too. Same spot in my left side inner cheek by back teeth. I just rinse with warm salt water and it goes away.
Posted 11/1/2017 4:09 PM (GMT 0)
Try to avoid sodium laurel sulfate. It might be in your toothpaste. It is a foaming agent and has been proven to be a cause of canker sores.

Apple cider vinegar mixed with water will balance the acid in your mouth. Just a little in water and swish and spit.

Ice will help with the pain and the inflammation.

So sorry. These can be painful.
Posted 11/1/2017 9:35 PM (GMT 0)
Cold sores/cankor sores = HSV-1 (or oral herpes)

Most adults (something like 80+%) have this virus; if you're asymptomatic your immune system has made it dormant so the virus generally hides out in a latent state in the neurons around the spinal cord, then travels to wherever your cold sores/cankor sores show up.

When the HSV-1 rears its ugly head and presents as sores, it means your immune system is struggling because your body is run down. This is this a signal to you to do what you need to do to suppress the virus to lessen the load on the immune system so that it can do what it needs to do to protect you from other opportunistic pathogens and keep up the good fight against Lyme & Co. For me, this also meant I need to slow down, get more rest, eat better. De-stress. This won't go away on its own.

There are good natural antivirals you can try - nothing "kills" the virus - it just forces it to go dormant, be less expressive:

Lysine
Olive leaf
Oil of oregano
Licorice
Houttuynia
Ginger
Chinese Skullcap
Astragalus
(there are many other herbs that have anti-viral properties)
Provocation Neutralization
Samento

*****

Per Raj Patel and Susan McCamish, well-known Lyme specialists during a BioResource 2014
Conference session: "Treating Tick-Borne Diseases Using Integrative
Therapies":

"Viral support may include low dose Valcyte, Valtrex, Famvir, IMN-V, IMN-V-II, IRM, and Viralox."
"Reducing viral load opens up methylation. "

-p
Posted 11/2/2017 7:43 AM (GMT 0)
Are we lumping canker sores in with cold sores?

I thought cankers were different than cold sores (which are a virus and can be contagious)
Posted 11/2/2017 1:29 PM (GMT 0)
/www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/canker-sore/basics/causes/con-20021262
Posted 11/5/2017 2:46 PM (GMT 0)
I was getting canker sores regularly before diagnosis and treatment. Prior to lyme I would get them occasionally. They went away for several months. Recently, I reached maximum dose of herbals for bart and got another one - same spot, inside bottom lip. A day later, horrible leg cramps started. So bad they woke me up. So I dropped down the level of herbals and everything is calming down again.

I used to think I would get them when I had too much citrus or vit C. Now I wonder if the lyme has been there a long time.
Posted 11/5/2017 3:06 PM (GMT 0)
Another life time canker sore sufferer. I stopped eating all nuts for a few months and I stopped getting them. Gradually added nuts back in to my diet and isolated the cause to be walnuts and peanuts. Eventually, I could tolerate peanuts again but not walnuts. I have spoken with several people who also get them from walnuts.

My nephew eliminated them by using sodium lauryl sulfate free toothpaste. I stopped using that also.

Now, I only get them at the first sign of a cold.
Posted 12/13/2017 8:47 PM (GMT 0)
Canker sores are absolutely different than cold sores.

Cold sores are viral and contagious, outside the mouth, and canker sores are inside the mouth, unknown in origin, but triggered by lots of things from diet, allergy, autoimmune response, mouth trauma, stress and tiredness and more.

The strange experience I had recently was the presence of two canker sores JUST inside the lip, that were so swollen, so painful and hard to heal, that I could swear they were fever blister/cold sores.

So that's my question for a doctor - can a sore inside the lip be viral/herpetic? Or is just that canker sores behave differently there because the skin is so sensitive and membranous?

I have no idea what triggered this latest attack except for too much chocolate and red wine, and not enough sleep
Posted 12/13/2017 10:51 PM (GMT 0)
Welcome to the forum djc5000. I am not a doctor at all but I definitely think canker and cold sore are entirely two different things.

I got a ton of canker sores when I had braces. The metal would rub and cause a sore. I took wax and covered that edge.

But if the read the link in my post above, many things can cause a canker sore.

Stress can for sure. My daughter got them before tests.
Posted 12/13/2017 11:00 PM (GMT 0)
Canker sores (Aphthous stomatitis) are NOT herpes/HSV-x.

In fact, the medical community doesn't even know 100% for sure what causes canker sores, but they do know it's not a type of herpes.

They are not infectious/transmittable.

My dad gets them after eating certain nuts.

In this thread they were accidentally mistaken for cold sores. Which is herpes.
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