CBD Oil

MS - I don't take it now...but I did try it for a few months in 2016.


For two reasons:

1) for symptom relief

2) to perhaps treat the infection


At the time I was following retired LLMD Ernie Murakami's fb page - and he and Dr. Eva Sapi were doing the research on CBD's effect on spirochetes and biofilms.
There were testimonials of people who were using it and for the first time in years had gotten their lives back.

Unfortunately it didn't work for me...my pain seemed to increase - but it could have been a herx...the paste was burning my esophagus...and I didn't continue...put it on the back burner to try again sometime...maybe.

The CBD oil I used is the one that Dr. Murakami recommended. It's from the Green Cross Society in Vancouver (BC) . It's organic (or at least it was then) - and if I'm remembering correctly it's grown in Kelowna.
They are very helpful at the Green Cross. They have two locations - I think it's the Kingsway Menu.


greencrossofbc.org/menu-for-kingsway-and-main/


They will tell you how much people are taking...and will mail it to you. I think they charge $20 to send it.

I've looked at the menus a few times and am thinking of getting a topical roller - maybe with some THC in it for pain relief - try it on my nerve pain.

The amount of the paste that you put under your tongue is a tiny amount - using a toothpick works well.
It comes in a syringe.

Mustard Seed, I have tried Charlotte's Web Everyday Plus chocolate mint CBD tincture and AON Mother Nature 500mg Cherry CBD tincture and some of AON's gummies.

Both are premium CBD oils with less than 0.3 THC.

I tried each for about a month for anxiety and pain. My anxiety was lower but I believe the CBD oil was working on my lyme and causing a lyme herx. For me, the AON seemed stronger. I could not tolerate additional herxing with my other treatment so I stopped both.

I may try CBD oil again in the future.

Isn't the Charlotte's Web tincture hemp oil vs the more concentrated cbd oil?

yancync said...
CW has their advanced line which is their most potent formula. Bluebird has Concentrated line, also most potent. Basically most CBD hemp (not MJ) co's recommend their most potent concentrations for Lyme patients. More expensive but in DS case-he can take smaller dose since he hates the taste. Those are the two companies recommended by DS LLNP. There are other out there but make sure they test for quality, mold, potency etc.

Right, but looking at the product page, it doesn't even say how much CBD is in it. Unless I'm missing it?

/www.cwhemp.com/cannabinoid-hemp-oil-cbd-supplement-everyday-advanced

edit: is hemp oil the same as cbd oil?

Mustard Seed said...
Isn't the Charlotte's Web tincture hemp oil vs the more concentrated cbd oil?

Hemp is the source of cbd oil.



You could take a look at the site I purchased mine from and see what the % of the cbd is in their product and compare?

Girlie said...

Mustard Seed said...
Isn't the Charlotte's Web tincture hemp oil vs the more concentrated cbd oil?

Hemp is the source of cbd oil.



You could take a look at the site I purchased mine from and see what the % of the cbd is in their product and compare?

This is the route I took, ordered pure CBD oil.
But I ordered from a place a little closer to me.

Ya, it's an oil rather than a paste.

Haven't decided yet. Guess I'll see how thick it is.

just to chime in...joined a facebook group on using cannabis to treat lyme and the members there (over 5000) feel strongly that Full extract cannabis oil (FECO) is vastly superior to just CBD oil...the feco has all 9 of the cannabinoids, not just CBD, and they talk of the "entourage effect" that the cannabis works better when the whole plant is used...and apparently the most effective part is the thc, the very same part that gets you high and makes it illegal...most take it right before bed, aiding sleep, so they dont have to deal with the high...their research is based on cancer patients who use it.....

i dont live in a legal state, nor have tried it, but they say through ingesting it through the FECO or just edibles that that is where the healing comes from...according to the site many of the legal CBD oils are just not effective as they dont have the full spectrum of the anti-bacterial,fungal, parasite components of the plant...smoking or vaping it they claim gives symptom relief but no long term curing- many who take a small amt of the FECO claim they are in remission...and these are ppl who have failed on abx,cowden,buhner etc....obviously your mileage may vary...

im currently on abx again but if that doesnt work im considering trying edibles if i can find a friend who has access and can make it for me or otherwise bee venom...i dont really want to do either, but then again i dont want to have been on abx for over a yr either...

thought this might be of use to some, who have tried regular legal CBD oil and not gotten anything out of it

dbwilco - most if not all states are legal for cbd oil. It's not marijuana.

Almost nil thc.

I posted this description of treating chronic Lyme with cannabis oil on an older thread, and again here. I have had Lyme for 20+ years With clinical diagnosis of Babesia and Bartonella as well as positive tests for Bartonella and Lyme from DNA Connections. With help from a Lyme literate doctor in Seattle I have been treating with a panoply of antibiotics for the last seven years in combination with enzymes and probiotics that have reduced sinus and GERD symptoms and helped my gut heal too.

I began using cannabis treatments a couple years ago to aid sleep and relieve the pain and found that full spectrum oil capsules available at the medical Cannabis stores here helped a lot. With the change last year to legalized recreational cannabis, the company that had made the edibles that I found most effective (from a strain called Harlequin 2:1 CBD:THC) collapsed. Now I have begun using Rick Simpson oil with similar CBD/THC numbers but in much higher doses.

In two weeks I have gotten to where I’m taking 500 mg of CBD using an oil that has a smaller component of THC. Like others, I have found that herxes to be formidable, but the improvement in my symptoms is impossible to ignore. I will try increasing the THC component and work on increasing the dose. Although I have had some scary moments from trying higher THC oils when my supplier ran out, overall I find the oils very comfortable and effective, and they seem to go along OK with the Doxy/Rifampin I am currently getting from my LLMD.

I get oil that is 65% CBD for about $60 a gram. Oil made from harlequin is slightly cheaper. Rick Simpson says 60 g in 60 days after you develop the tolerance, so I will try that and see where I end up. Leg pain and foot cramps and pain have gotten so bad that there isn’t too much I worry about among the various side effects such as dizziness, memory problems, and social deficits that come from my reduced mental sharpness. They aren’t much worse than the symptoms i’ve had for years without the benefits.