Buhner Questions

Sorry for this winded post, but here goes. I have a few questions that I'll break into sections. If anyone has input for any one of these, it's really appreciated:

1. Herb Timing:
I'm taking a bunch of Buhner herbs for bartonella and I was wondering if maybe I'm taking them wrong. I typically just throw them all into one small cup and then down it. Should I be splitting them up at all? I know he mentioned rhodolia and ashwaganda should be taken "together", so should I take these together or are they okay in my "buhner soup"?

Here is my current list:
- Jap. Knot.
- Houttuynia
- Sida
- Rhodolia
- Ashwaganda
- Hawthorne
- ECGC (caps)

Taking everything at full dose for about three weeks now. Didn't notice any herxing so I ramped them all up quite fast. Soon I plan to add cordyceps, red root, and cats claw.

I should mention I am also on prescription meds:
- Plaquenil
- Malarone
- Biaxin
- Bactrim (currently on break from this until WBC increase)



2. Length of Buhner protocol:
How long is acceptable to remain on these herbs? So far I've noticed little progress. Maybe some slight improvement, but it's hard to tell.

3. Anyone have any herbal recommendations for the following symptoms that I'm not currently taking? I have two of Buhner's books but it's difficult to figure out what I need.
- Muscle twitching (systemic). This issue is minor for me, maybe a dozen or two muscle twitches a day, mostly in legs but also other areas.
- Shakyness/tremors. Both internal and in my hands/arms. Tend to happen when I'm using my muscles (mechanical tremors). Any caffeine at all makes it worse.
- Bone pain/aches in hands (especially in AM)
- Muscle pain and tendon pain in back muscles that connect to shoulders, shoulders themselves, arms, hands (worst symptom)
- Intermittent chest pains
- Muscle pain in neck muscle and front of ankles
- Random sharp pains on bottoms of feet that last a few minutes then fade

4. Herb sources
So far I've been getting most of my herbs from Woodlands essence, but I've also gotten some (Rhodolia and ashwaganda, ECGC) from amazon as tinctures. I'm debating getting cordyceps powder from amazon as well, but should I just be getting all of the herbs from Woodlands?

Thanks for anyone who took the time to read that.

Post Edited (saiyaex) : 7/6/2016 11:49:56 AM (GMT-6)

For the twitching, shakiness/tremors - those are nervous system issues - two herbs I read in Buhner's Bart book for nerves are Kudzu and Greater Celandine.

You might want to give those a try. I started taking them a few months ago...

I haven't read Buhner's books, so I don't know about the "buhner's soup" (but I do LOVE the name!! LOL!)

But as far as your other symptoms, I would suggest that you need to be taking magnesium for the muscle issues. I take magnesium orotate, as it's the best absorbed by the body according to this:
www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/types-of-magnesium/

For the chest pains, could it be costochondritis? www.lymepedia.com/costochondritis/
If so, then treatment and detoxing will help. You can try using a little heat on the area too in order to see if that eases things. Sometimes it helped and sometimes it didn't for me when I was experiencing it.

I had intentional tremors a lot the first time around, and mildly this time - but I've had all sorts of tremors all due to these infections. They were completely gone, all of them, after I healed the first time.
Some of those muscle tremors happened to my whole body all at once and it made it look like I was "bouncing" around on purpose, but in reality, I had no control at all over them. I would 'bounce' off of whatever I was sitting on any time I was under stress, and sometimes very randomly.

The muscle/tendon pain is a common issue for many of us. If it's not due to a deficiency in magnesium, then it could easily be from just having these infections and the resulting toxins. They cause muscle, tendon and bone pain in many of us. If you touch those areas, are they hard and tight? If so, heat will be of help, as it will help those areas to relax. You may even find, like Astroman and I have, that using pressure on those muscles and tendons to do a trigger point release is very helpful for some.

The only thing you have to watch for on Amazon is that you are still getting good, quality products, so watch who the seller is.

Lyme using manganese, not magnesium - but either way, if we don't supplement it, our bodies are the ones suffering, not the bugs!

"Early signs of magnesium deficiency include loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, fatigue, and weakness. As magnesium deficiency worsens, numbness, tingling, muscle contractions and cramps, seizures, personality changes, abnormal heart rhythms, and coronary spasms can occur. Severe magnesium deficiency can result in hypocalcemia or hypokalemia (low serum calcium or potassium levels, respectively) because mineral homeostasis is disrupted."
/ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Magnesium-HealthProfessional/

And this is a good article about how magnesium helps, so you can evaluate if it's worth it - which it is. We have to treat biofilms anyway.
/draxe.com/magnesium-supplements/

On Amazon I got my herbs from HawaiiPharm and loved them. Organic and great customer service. I think if you don't want to do amazon, they have a website.

I have used Green Dragon's Japanese Knotweed and Cat's Claw...but not the LB Core Protocol.


If you decide to take it...make sure you start at a low dose...just try one capsule for a couple of days.

Just Bee said...
This is the liquid extract, felt like I could adjust the dosage a little better. Suggested use is 1/8 teaspoon - 1 teaspoon, 3-4 times a day. LLMD says full dose at least 3x daily. It's Japanese Knotweed, Cat's Claw, Andrographis herb, Sarsparilla root and Dandelion herb. You've used herbs and conventional abx, should I go back on Rocephin, also?

Pretty sure Lyme is hell.

For reference -

1/4 tsp = 25-30 drops = one dropperfull

I don't see a problem taking rocephin and the Buhner lyme Herbs

Thank you Girlie and goshawk. I'll just have to start with 1/8 t. for a few days and go from there.

Ok, that helps! I was wondering if I was just being overly cautious... I'll stick with your suggestion.
Thank you!

Well, not that I could tell.

I did take it alone prior to abx for a couple of months...no herx...no improvement.

Then since then, I've been taking various Buhner herbs - at different times...for bart and babs.
Couldn't tell if anything was working...my herxes usually lined up with abx or mepron.

i'm back on Crytolepis now...and I also take Artemisinin.

Actually the Artemisinin hit me - I herxed on it. But, it's not the whole herb..it's the active constituent of Artemisia