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Posted 6/20/2017 12:30 AM (GMT 0)
Amazing that I have been resisting energy and muscle testing as woo and the more I resist it the more it is in my face.

http://chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/expert/scott-forsgren/

http://www.klinghardtacademy.com/Articles/Autonomic-Response-Testing-Laws.html

http://www.debugyourhealth.com/figuring-out-the-root-cause-of-health-problems/
Posted 6/20/2017 12:43 AM (GMT 0)

ChickenArise said...
Amazing that I have been resisting energy and muscle testing as woo and the more I resist it the more it is in my face.

http://chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/expert/scott-forsgren/

http://www.klinghardtacademy.com/Articles/Autonomic-Response-Testing-Laws.html

http://www.debugyourhealth.com/figuring-out-the-root-cause-of-health-problems/

I'm in a similar boat with other things. I'm finally beginning to understand that the more I read, the less I know. Blogger Matt Stone had the following to say about his studies of diet/health/nutrition:

"If you aren’t confused about health and nutrition, then you haven’t studied it long enough or deeply enough."

That would seem to be true of many things, from what I can tell.
Posted 6/20/2017 11:27 AM (GMT 0)

The Dude Abides said...
I listened to Dr. Klinghardt's talk today and he seems to have a similar viewpoint to Dr. Jernigan on "Herxing."

Basically, if you're doing something and you feel worse, you're doing it wrong. Drs. Klinghardt and Jernigan say it more eloquently, but their opinion is "Herxing" is your body reacting to something harmful and that hurting yourself more isn't necessary and doesn't make sense. At the risk of having a Molotov Cocktail hurled at me, I tend to agree with them.

Dr. Klinghardt's stance on antibiotics mirrors my own -- which is why I've been off them for a couple of years.

Finally, his current methods of detecting pathogens and heavy metals is fascinating. Also, his use of liposomal herbs. I highly recommend Dr. Klinghardt's interview.

I agree, Klinghardt's interview was good. I like Dr. Ou too and the one on bart was good too. I've listened to quite a few so thank you again for doing this. It made listening to the audio portions very easy while making a long drive.

I have not found one speaker yet that says antibiotics are useful for chronic Lyme. Many are saying that if the body is healthy Lyme shouldn't be a problem. I am currently on abx and feel nothing but maybe a few slight drug side effects (very hungry, bit more tired). I hate taking them and want to be done.

Also, many are saying that most have been exposed to Lyme bacteria. This validates my opinion on the matter since my entire family tests positive but is not sick. Jernigan mentions that he's tested countless spouses and they are positive too but not sick. So ultimately we wouldn't have chronic illness without various things going on already. The real craft is figuring all those out and correcting.

Post Edited (k07) : 6/20/2017 5:33:48 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/20/2017 5:14 PM (GMT 0)
Knowing that most people have been exposed to Lyme bacteria makes everything even more complicated. How one can tell what's the source of their health issues, how we can even tell if the infection is still there? Maybe the real cause it's lyme, maybe many other underlying issues, it's so frustrating...
Posted 6/20/2017 8:32 PM (GMT 0)
Yellow Cat - I was thinking same thing but didn't want to say it. If treatment works then I guess you're going in the right direction. This is why it's important to find a doc that doesn't just focus on Lyme and killing it.
Posted 6/21/2017 4:18 AM (GMT 0)

k07 said...

The Dude Abides said...
I listened to Dr. Klinghardt's talk today and he seems to have a similar viewpoint to Dr. Jernigan on "Herxing."

Basically, if you're doing something and you feel worse, you're doing it wrong. Drs. Klinghardt and Jernigan say it more eloquently, but their opinion is "Herxing" is your body reacting to something harmful and that hurting yourself more isn't necessary and doesn't make sense. At the risk of having a Molotov Cocktail hurled at me, I tend to agree with them.

Dr. Klinghardt's stance on antibiotics mirrors my own -- which is why I've been off them for a couple of years.

Finally, his current methods of detecting pathogens and heavy metals is fascinating. Also, his use of liposomal herbs. I highly recommend Dr. Klinghardt's interview.

I agree, Klinghardt's interview was good. I like Dr. Ou too and the one on bart was good too. I've listened to quite a few so thank you again for doing this. It made listening to the audio portions very easy while making a long drive.

I have not found one speaker yet that says antibiotics are useful for chronic Lyme. Many are saying that if the body is healthy Lyme shouldn't be a problem. I am currently on abx and feel nothing but maybe a few slight drug side effects (very hungry, bit more tired). I hate taking them and want to be done.

Also, many are saying that most have been exposed to Lyme bacteria. This validates my opinion on the matter since my entire family tests positive but is not sick. Jernigan mentions that he's tested countless spouses and they are positive too but not sick. So ultimately we wouldn't have chronic illness without various things going on already. The real craft is figuring all those out and correcting.

Thanks, k07, I appreciate your reply. First, I'm happy the audio presentations were helpful. If even one person found them beneficial, then it was all worth it. Second, I think you and agree on many things -- including antibiotics. I hope you're able to move on from them sooner rather than later.
Posted 6/21/2017 8:13 AM (GMT 0)
Kinesiology is great as long as its not the microbes giving the feedback (buhner) it has helped in my jouney from what supps ,pathogens ,abx ,modalities and even foods. Its like a flashlight in the dark.

my family all have ketes too
Posted 6/21/2017 10:15 AM (GMT 0)
I also want to express my deep gratitude for these links. I have been listening to a couple each day and trying to absorb it all. Thank you for sharing. What a tremendous resource!
Posted 6/22/2017 3:27 AM (GMT 0)

foglikely said...
I also want to express my deep gratitude for these links. I have been listening to a couple each day and trying to absorb it all. Thank you for sharing. What a tremendous resource!

Happy to be of service, my friend! Thank you!
Posted 6/22/2017 3:35 AM (GMT 0)

foglikely said...
I also want to express my deep gratitude for these links. I have been listening to a couple each day and trying to absorb it all. Thank you for sharing. What a tremendous resource!

I am so sorry that I didn't see your post foglikely!

Welcome to our community. Are you currently in treatment for Lyme disease?
Posted 6/22/2017 5:36 PM (GMT 0)
Any Llmds like Horowitz of phillips at the summit. I've viewed a few and some of them come to sweeping conclusions that sit right with me.
Posted 6/22/2017 5:50 PM (GMT 0)

Yellow Cat said...
Knowing that most people have been exposed to Lyme bacteria makes everything even more complicated. How one can tell what's the source of their health issues, how we can even tell if the infection is still there? Maybe the real cause it's lyme, maybe many other underlying issues, it's so frustrating...

In my understanding Lyme and co-infections are usually the root source, symptoms are either the endotoxins of these bacteria, the chelating of minerals and vitamins for their survival, the endocrine and limbic destruction they induce; bacteria load and where the bacteria is playing am important part as well as immunity. If your immune system has to fight Lyme you are indeed going to get some tissue and joint damage, IF Lyme is in your tissues and joints. As for neuroborreliosis, what herbs are actually absorbed, what herbs and antibiotics penetrate the BBB and have good killing efficacy of all forms. For instance, Stevia is poorly absorbed by the body if at all and doesn't pass the BBB. It doesn't kill spirochetes unless in the gastrotract or in mouth, intravenous is a different story but what are the negative conswquences? Your immune system can hurt you in the process of killing an infection, hence detoxing. Still, herbs for most won't cure the infection, the 'RIGHT' antibiotics that address all forms w/ lots of herbs and supplements to replenish the chelation and immune system. Anti-inflammatories work at least herbals by inducing a equillibrium long term upregulating immune response. So, herbs work but there are many questions we all have to ask.
Posted 6/22/2017 10:52 PM (GMT 0)
CA, you don't need energy testing it treatments are working on due time for you!

But when you think you're spending your lifetime on trial and error and still walking in circles, you could give it a try!smile

Without muscle tests and ART, I think I would be long dead, to tell you the truth.

I needed about 60 treatments a day for months, non stop, to keep surviving...

When it fell to about 40, I was considering myself lucky!

Rife frequencies, nosodes, specific homeopathics for each organ, chelators and binders, infrared pulsation frequencies varied, herbs, rizols, all binders many times a day for neurotoxins, tapping points, two point acupuncture, mudras, infection after infection due to numerous new tick bites, and all the dozens of herbs a day... everything varying like a yo yo...

I had to use energy testing to tune these things, and I could see how many changes in the treatment I needed, almost daily, to curb new symptoms, new infections...

the most crazy thing that convinced me of it was the following test: I take a substance that tests good for attacking the problem of a certain joint (like joint pain on the knee from Bb).

The ART practitioner waits a bit and asks: is cats claw coming to the joint? Answer was no. That is why I could improve in other parts, but not on that specific joint: no matter how much I took, the joint was blocked energetically.

The practioner found the acupuncture point for me to tap. Then asked again: is cats claw reaching the joint? Yes.

The same cats claw I took before did nothing to my left knee. It only helped me there AFTER I tapped certain acupuncture points daily, 3 to 4 times a day.

Got it? It was not the herb that was not working , but some sort of blockade...

But how the heck could I know that?

(that was just a fictitious example. I had SO MANY blockades that I don't remember anymore a specific real example any longer. Now I consider that so common, like brushing my teeth, so I don't even mind to have blockades, as long as I can test what to do to unblock them!)
Posted 6/23/2017 9:00 PM (GMT 0)
Jinna, is it possible to do this ART testing on my own? If so how to learn that?
Posted 6/23/2017 9:21 PM (GMT 0)

Jinna said...
CA, you don't need energy testing it treatments are working on due time for you!

But when you think you're spending your lifetime on trial and error and still walking in circles, you could give it a try!smile

Without muscle tests and ART, I think I would be long dead, to tell you the truth.

I needed about 60 treatments a day for months, non stop, to keep surviving...

When it fell to about 40, I was considering myself lucky!

Rife frequencies, nosodes, specific homeopathics for each organ, chelators and binders, infrared pulsation frequencies varied, herbs, rizols, all binders many times a day for neurotoxins, tapping points, two point acupuncture, mudras, infection after infection due to numerous new tick bites, and all the dozens of herbs a day... everything varying like a yo yo...

I had to use energy testing to tune these things, and I could see how many changes in the treatment I needed, almost daily, to curb new symptoms, new infections...

the most crazy thing that convinced me of it was the following test: I take a substance that tests good for attacking the problem of a certain joint (like joint pain on the knee from Bb).

The ART practitioner waits a bit and asks: is cats claw coming to the joint? Answer was no. That is why I could improve in other parts, but not on that specific joint: no matter how much I took, the joint was blocked energetically.

The practioner found the acupuncture point for me to tap. Then asked again: is cats claw reaching the joint? Yes.

The same cats claw I took before did nothing to my left knee. It only helped me there AFTER I tapped certain acupuncture points daily, 3 to 4 times a day.

Got it? It was not the herb that was not working , but some sort of blockade...

But how the heck could I know that?

(that was just a fictitious example. I had SO MANY blockades that I don't remember anymore a specific real example any longer. Now I consider that so common, like brushing my teeth, so I don't even mind to have blockades, as long as I can test what to do to unblock them!)

Thanks, Jinna. Your comments help me to put things in proper perspective. It's important that I plan a good strategy going forward and your detailed input is very helpful. Cheers.
Posted 6/24/2017 9:20 PM (GMT 0)
No diagnosis - the docs here say no lyme in this area and wouldn't test. I had multiple tick bites with a diffuse rash and fever 19 yrs ago followed by terrible joint/ knee pain and a host of other issues. I haven't had the resources to see many doctors. Most of my diagnoses seem to name symptoms rather than describe a root cause. A few things have improved and the arthritis comes and goes but in the past decade I have acquired a couple of autoimmune conditions and seem to struggle more after each flare. The summit interviews are really eye-opening. While I may or may not have lyme, I'm hoping that making some of the recommended changes can maybe over time give me a little energy back or at least stop the cyclic crashes.

Thank you again for posting the links.
Posted 3/3/2018 6:19 AM (GMT 0)
Bumping for new members. It seems the links still work.
Posted 3/3/2018 8:26 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks Dude!

Found the PDFs:

PDF Transcripts

http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Amy_Derksen.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Christine_Schaffner.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Dan_Pompa.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Brent_Martin_Dana_Walsh.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Darin_Ingels.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Dave_Ou.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/David_Jernigan.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Diane_Capaldi.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Dietrich_Klinghardt.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Evan_Hirsch.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Gerry_Curatola.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Isaac_Eliaz.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Izabella_Wentz.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/James_Maskell.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Jay_Davidson.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Jerod_Bergman.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Jill_Carnahan.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Jon_Butcher.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Jonathan_Landsman.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Jonathan_Streit.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Katie_Dahlgren.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Keesha_Ewers.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Kim_dEramo.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Leslie_Douglas.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Philip_Blair.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Sarah_Schlichte_Sanchez.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Shayne_Morris.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Tim_Jackson.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Todd_Watts.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Tyna_Moore.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Wayne_Anderson.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Joette_Calabrese.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Greg_Lee.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Scott_Forsgren.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Sarah_Ballantyne.pdf

Post Edited (LymeSick 🌟) : 3/3/2018 1:29:52 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 3/3/2018 8:39 AM (GMT 0)

LymeSick 🌟 said...
Thanks Dude!

Found the PDFs:

PDF Transcripts

http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Amy_Derksen.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Christine_Schaffner.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Dan_Pompa.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Brent_Martin_Dana_Walsh.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Darin_Ingels.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Dave_Ou.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/David_Jernigan.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Diane_Capaldi.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Dietrich_Klinghardt.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Evan_Hirsch.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Gerry_Curatola.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Isaac_Eliaz.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Izabella_Wentz.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/James_Maskell.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Jay_Davidson.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Jerod_Bergman.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Jill_Carnahan.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Jon_Butcher.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Jonathan_Landsman.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Jonathan_Streit.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Katie_Dahlgren.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Keesha_Ewers.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Kim_dEramo.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Leslie_Douglas.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Philip_Blair.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Sarah_Schlichte_Sanchez.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Shayne_Morris.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Tim_Jackson.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Todd_Watts.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Tyna_Moore.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Wayne_Anderson.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Joette_Calabrese.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Greg_Lee.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Scott_Forsgren.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Sarah_Ballantyne.pdf

Thank you, friend! You're a pro!
Posted 3/3/2018 12:54 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks! Those three don't work for me, could you check it:
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Philip_Blair.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Brent_Martin_Dana_Walsh.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Sarah_Schlichte_Sanchez.pdf
Posted 3/3/2018 8:12 PM (GMT 0)
Yellow Cat:

Based on my experience, I figured the broken links were likely due to spelling errors. For two of the three you cited, this was definitely the case. After a little monkeying with the spelling/spacing in the links, I hit on the correct information:

http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Phillip_Blair.pdf
http://video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/transcripts/Sarah_Sanchez.pdf

For the Brent Martin and Dana Walsh transcript, however, I was unable to guess the correct naming structure for the link. LymeSick 🌟 seems to understand an additional layer of this stuff than I do and may be able to help.

(LymeSick 🌟, I may need you to tutor me. smile We obviously share a lot of technical prowess, but you seem to know more.)
Posted 3/4/2018 3:53 AM (GMT 0)
Haha thanks Dude, honestly you did all the work. In regards to the missing PDF, it's actually not available even for members. sad
Posted 3/4/2018 5:00 AM (GMT 0)
Okay, I feel better that I'm not totally nuts! I've never purchased any of these Summits, but I've managed to figure-out how to access/download over 15 of them.
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