SIDA ACUTA AND HOUTTUNYIA TEA DRIED HERBS

Hi all,

Can anyone confirm if sida ACUTA or houttunyia herbal teas are stimulant or calming?

Hi hope not stimulant, i have insomnia, adding more stimulants would make it worst.

I didn't find sida Acuta tincture stimulating in itself. But the herx had some stimulating Neuro components. Racy thoughts and so on. But that's obviously just at first and dose dependent. Can't speak otherwise

Thank you all. I think it is the leaf parts:
I am buying from lymeherbs.eu

https://lymeherbs.eu/cut-herbs/147-sida-acuta-common-wireweed-leaves-100g.html

Is it ok?

No Im refering to the parte of the Roots, leafs no ephephrine right? That what i am asking

How about the teas, are there any tips on startling dosagens/grams on the fórum?

Peteza did you ever tried Cistus incanus by the way?

I was having really bad insomnia... I was staying up really late every night because I never would feel sleepy- but then I stopped taking sida actua and it completely went away. I never did have insomnia before I started the Buhner protocol.

I think sida IS a stimulant.

I really don't know. But I think if it is causing you insomnia, maybe you don't need to take it.

The problem is, to me it seems like several of buhner's herbs can be too stimulating. Licorice and eleuthero, and also I found that cordyceps seemed to either make me hyperactive or not able to sleep. Also I think rhodiola might be a stimulant also. I don't know.

Also it seems like from what I've heard ginseng could be one also.

I guess I've always had more of a tendency to be hyperactive, so maybe I'm more sensitive.

I think it's a herx. Houtuynnia always made me sort of sleepy. I thought my insomnia was just from the sida, but the other night, I just couldn't sleep and went to be about one or two o'clock. The funny thing is I didn't feel tired in the morning.

And yesterday I was really tired and I went to bed at 8:00. I can never tell what's going on.

isitlyme said...
Hi all,

Can anyone confirm if sida ACUTA or houttunyia herbal teas are stimulant or calming?

Hi hope not stimulant, i have insomnia, adding more stimulants would make it worst.

Sida was the stimulant from hell lol I refuse to touch it again. I had racing thoughts , panic, rapid heart beat through the roof, anxiety, sweats and shivers all in 1. This was from 1 drop of sida almost immediately. Although it stopped my severe migraines bt then caused burning sensations in my head. The panic and not feeling like I can breathe was the worst for me with sida. Everyone is different, bt this is just my oppinion.

Welcome to the forum Lymecam!

PeteZa said...
As for sida acuta this is all I know. The roots contain Ephedrine. So it will depend on what part of the plant you have.

I am very easily stimulated by some herbs and drugs. I could not take Sida Acuta. But, remember we are all different and will react differently to each herb.

The best thing is to try it early in the day to see if it affects you.

As for Houttuynia, I had no difficulty with it. But, here again..... someone else might.

This is why we test each herb individually to see if they affect us. Trying 2 herbs together is not recommended because then you will not know which one caused a reaction, if you should get a reaction.

I forgot I already made a post on this lol let me clarify, so cordifolia is different than acuta bt both from the sida family so I imagine they work the same as a stimulant? This is what I found below


SIDA Acuta Extract Powder, 20:1 Concentrated Extract, 250 . ... Sida cordifolia is a plant. The seeds, leaves, and root are used to make medicine. Sida cordifolia contains ephedrine, which is an amphetamine -like stimulant that can cause harmful side effects. ..

just to add that it took me 18months to build up my dosage of Sida and other co-infection herbs - due to herx like reactions

for me this was sleeplessness - increased headaches - palpitations - increased fatigue etc - ill feeling etc

there is some ephedrine in the roots of sida cordifolia - but the doses are v large to get any significant effect
sida acuta is a different plant in the same genus - but not noted for its ephedrine content - and the amount of ephedrine in the leaves of sida acuta is likely to be just about none - ephedrine also only lasts a few hours in our system. so i suspect that those who have had a strong sleep disturbance effect are in fact suffering a herx like effect rather than a speed like ephedrine rush

ephedrine also tends to bring euphoria - increased energy - and stamina - heightened senses etc all in a good way - so again i think the mechanism involved in the adverse reactions is more likely brain inflammation from increased bacterial by products from anti-microbials or increased immune reactivity ( no one knows exactly what mechanism drives the long lived severe herx reactions many of us experience )

for me - all the things that cause me to herx - do help in the long run - its just hard to gauge how much is enough - but not too much - and then enduring the discomfort - as its certainly not a quick fix.

in fact i started with just the so called immune modulating herbs for approx 9months before adding the strong anti-microbials -

before thsi whenever i tried the antimicrobial herbs like sida - i just had really long hard herxes - and after enduring these treatments for 4 weeks or more at a time - i may have had improvements for a while after i stopped symptoms gradually returned - which is why i opted to try the slow and low approach - as short sharp shock treatments were simply not endurable or even working when i did.

overall i feel that while the reaction to anti-microbials is a sign you are on the right track - those that are hyperreactive will most likley need some strategy to get their bodies into a place where they can tolerate at least starting doses of the herbs - i say this as - several here seem to be even less tolerant to anti-microbial herbs than i am - and so would ned to start lower and go slower - but going slower than i am able to manage would be extremely slow progress indeed - as it is i am around half way back after over 2 years of intensive treatment.

ideas to help stabilise the system? this is up for grabs and may differ from person to person - trial and error likely needed - but just some ideas
- ketogenic diet ( has been huge for me - my partner also - other here )
- IV Glutathione ( not tried it but seems to work really well for some )

am sure others will have some suggestions