Herx from low-dose Houttuynia?

Yes. You can herx from bart and yes on that small a dose of houtty. I have.

I'm not really following an herbal protocol yet, but it is something I'm hoping to switch to. I picked up few Buhner herbs, but Houttuynia is the only herb I'm doing at the moment. I've added it to the Azithromycin and Bactrim abx combo I'm on. For detox I've been using red root and milk thistle.

Previously I was using A-bart along with the abx per my LLMD's recommendation, but that only seemed to bring on herxing so I stopped it a few months back. I haven't seen much info on A-bart actually curing bart.

Also, I've been taking lion's mane tincture from a local supplier for a while.

i managed to take 2/3 of a huge 250ml bottle of houttuynia 1:3 tincture from bistolbotanicals, i take 90 drops a day (30x3 drops).

i do not herx on it ... BUT... did u know it is a very effective MCAS treatment ?
/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=4009921

many lyme patients have a MCAS problem, so it's interesting that if u have some minor lingering symptoms after long term lyme abx treatment, you maybe can keep them at bay with something like this:

- H1/H2 blockers (levocetirizine, cetirizine, etc...) but the dosage is double than that for hay fever, allergy (so 5mgx2 levocetirizine or 10mgx2 cetirizine...)

- hi dose vitamin C /bit.ly/2JgiU4v

- sodium cromolyn - this is a textbook treatment for MCAS so i wont quote any articles

- houttuynia , yes, you guessed that. Even if u do not treat bart with it, it is very effective at calming down mast cells...
/www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bpb/28/10/28_10_1864/_article/-char/ja/
/www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691509001732

- isatis - another buhner bartonelal herb that calms down mast cells - /www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20347971

so you could have been treating an aberrant allergy type immune response instead of bart all this time.... im not saying this is the reality, but isn't it at least.... interesting ?

MCAS symptoms are very similar with some of the PTLDS (post lyme treatment ones, i'd say actually POST long term lyme treatment... that means u took almost one year of antibiotics already and most serious symptoms are gone):

MCAS Common symptoms include (i highlighted the ones i keep on finding here in what people post as lyme related):

Dermatological
flushing
hives
easy bruising
either a reddish or a pale complexion
itchiness
burning feeling
dermatographism

Cardiovascular
lightheadedness, dizziness, presyncope, syncope, arrhythmia, tachycardia

Gastrointestinal
diarrhea and/or constipation, cramping, intestinal discomfort
nausea, vomiting
swallowing difficulty, throat tightness

Psychological & Neurological
brain fog, short term memory dysfunction, difficulty with recalling words
headaches, migraines
co-morbid psychiatric and behavioral symptoms as a result of mast cell mediators being released in the brain (ie: anxiety, depression, mood swings, etc.)

Respiratory
congestion, coughing, wheezing
Nonallergic rhinitis with eosinophilia syndrome (NARES) [11]

Obstructive Sleep Apnea

Vision/Eyes
ocular discomfort, conjunctivitis
redness

Constitutional
general fatigue and malaise
food, drug, and chemical allergies or intolerances (especially fragrances)

Cold and Heat Intolerence

Musculoskeletal
osteoporosis and osteopenia (including young patients)

/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mast_cell_activation_syndrome

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