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Posted 5/31/2018 2:10 AM (GMT 0)
I know that the more main protocols are buhners, cowdens a bart as far as herbals go. What about mc bar 2? Haven't heard too much hype regarding it. I have read some llmd recommend it to some members here though... Still trying to figure out what route I wanna take.
Posted 5/31/2018 6:25 AM (GMT 0)
I’m no help with mc bar 2 but this will bump your post up for you.

Good luck
Posted 5/31/2018 1:26 PM (GMT 0)
Hey thank you im hoping I get some insight.
Posted 5/31/2018 3:37 PM (GMT 0)
I'm done with MCBAR2, I was on it for 6 months along with Buhner Bart herbs and it made a significant difference - cleared 95% of all symptoms, though it may have been a synergistic effect. I'm only on Buhner herbs now. Hope that helps,

Jason
Posted 5/31/2018 4:12 PM (GMT 0)

JasonSinis said...
I'm done with MCBAR2, I was on it for 6 months along with Buhner Bart herbs and it made a significant difference - cleared 95% of all symptoms, though it may have been a synergistic effect. I'm only on Buhner herbs now. Hope that helps,

Jason

Jason,

Good to hear from you. Haven't seen you in a while.

Just curious about your bart treatment. I've been doing Buhner's protocol for 12 mths now. Still only tolerate tiny doses of the antimicrobial herbs and had to take a break and reduce from taking 3x day to 2x day because I felt like I was continuously in a herx/flare. That gave me 2 good weeks and then it started up again.

Did start out with just Buhner and then add MC-BAR 2? Did you ever struggle with tolerating the Buhner herbs?
Posted 5/31/2018 4:51 PM (GMT 0)
Hey walkingfaith, are you still able to function during your herxes? Do you get mental symptoms when your constantly herxing like brain fog and what not?
Posted 5/31/2018 4:53 PM (GMT 0)
Jason hey how was the herxing for you? Did you have any symptoms of herxing and did it badly impact you in any way?
Posted 5/31/2018 5:21 PM (GMT 0)
Herxing was moderate in the beginning - mostly anxiety/mood swings. At the time I had (other than mood issues), gut issues, burning down my thighs, calf twitching and a tingling on the left side of my face. I was at 80% or so then, still going to work and functioning, but not overly happily.

I started on Buhner Lyme herbs last July, 1000MG a day until we got a positive Bart lab and I started MCBAR2 in November and transitioned to most of the Buhner Bart protocol in December, one herb a time for a week increasing doses weekly. By February I was up to full doses with 2-3 weeks feeling pretty good and then 1-2 weeks no so much. I may have gone too fast for some.

For Bart herbs I take Sida Acuta, Jap Knotweed, Houttuynia, and ECGC from green tea I drink (3-4 cups a day whole leaf). I also take astragulus, chrysanthemum, noni, and coptis powders. I am up to the full doses of the Bart herbs, I take them powdered in water and/or pomegranate juice 3x daily. I have the breakdown in terms of Grams at home but altogther each "dose" is about 6 G of these herbs. As long as Andrographis is not included in the list it tastes fine, if not a bit sludgy.

My intention is to continue taking these until I'm symptom free for 6 months. I'm tired of dropping out of remission after a year or so of feeling fine, then having to start over for 1-2 years going through all this crap again. That cycle has gone on since 2008 for me and I think I've stopped meds too early each time.

As to my current status, I'd say I'm 97-98% healed, hence the decision to drop BAR2. I was at 99-100% for 36 days (per my records) but recently had a major sinus infection and symptoms cropped up a bit since then. I hadn't had a cold in forever (which turned into the sinus infection), so I felt it meant progress. Of course, I forgot what it felt like to be "normal" sick, so that really wasn't much fun though once I realized it wasn't tick related -just normal life sickness - I was happy.

As to posting, I've been hesitant to post because every time I've done so in the past to say I'm doing better I have a little downward trend for a few weeks. I'm probably just being superstitious. But, I saw the post on BAR2 and thought I should chime in.

Post Edited (JasonSinis) : 5/31/2018 11:27:50 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/31/2018 6:40 PM (GMT 0)
Jason,

Thanks so much and I'm thrilled you're doing so well.

I totally understand about hesitating to post about recovery status.

Best wishes and hope you get to 100% and stay there for the long haul.
Posted 5/31/2018 6:42 PM (GMT 0)
Well I appreciate you giving me some insight. Its really helpful. So the mc bar 2 made you feel almost completely healed?
Posted 5/31/2018 7:07 PM (GMT 0)

LJohn23 said...
Hey walkingfaith, are you still able to function during your herxes? Do you get mental symptoms when your constantly herxing like brain fog and what not?

I had mental symptoms earlier on, but not so much since the beginning of this year.

I have a lot of pain. Stiffness in joints. Weakness in muscles. Excercise intolerance. Constipation. Chemical and mold sensitivities. Numbness in different places. Foot and ankle stiffness. Burning sensations.

When I have head symptoms, it can be all kinds of things. Shooting, electrical pains. Burning scalp. Feeling surges of pain in my head that feels like my brain swelling. Neck stiffness. Migraines and other headaches.

Psych symptoms for me is irritability, anger/rage, sudden bouts of hopelessness and wanting to run off in the woods and die. Crying. Wanting to scream.

Brain stuff for me has included trouble remembering, ADD/OCD feelings, trouble focusing, balance and coordination issues, bumping into doorframes and car and cabinet doors (especially when I was very mold toxic). I don't get what I think of as brain fog, though. I did have intense brain fog and fatigue for one year back in 2001, but I didn't know what it was. Haven't had anything quite like that since.

As to functionality, I have not worked in over a year and filed for disability for which I'm still waiting on a decision. I am not bedridden. I can walk, but I often walk funny like there's something wrong with me. Sometimes I can take long walks. Other times, I can barely make it to the end of the road and back. I drive. I go shopping. There have been periods of time when I had to use the motorized carts when shopping because I couldn't walk much at all. I don't go in a lot of buildings because of mold and/or chemicals, especially fragrance.

That's a lot but it's not all I've had. Those are not necessarily from herxing, although herxing can make any symptoms worse and even bring out new ones.

Don't be afraid of herxing, though. If you're doing herbs, it's all in your hands. Start at very low doses and slowly work up.

Understand that herxing isn't always instant. It can often be cumulative. I tend to herx more 3-4 weeks after starting something and get completely blindsided by it no matter how many times it happens.

Keeping a journal is good if you can remember to look at it. I did it at different times but gave it up for the most part. I'm too disorganized still.
Posted 6/1/2018 2:13 AM (GMT 0)
If you try MC Bar 1 you need to start with one or two drops and work up once you are handling that amount. They are potent and if you start with two many you will seriously regret it. Only go up by a drop at a time.
Posted 6/1/2018 12:15 PM (GMT 0)
I agree, I would start slowly. I would progress weekly by 1 drop. For awhile I was "stuck" on 3 drops of MCBAR2. After 3 months or so, I made it to 7 drops and stayed there as I felt that was my sweet spot.

I do think it helped, but, as I said, I can't definitely state a causal link between MCBAR2 and feeling better. I was concurrently on too many other herbs.
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