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Posted 7/2/2018 4:01 PM (GMT 0)
Restarting Kinghartdt/Yu Parasite Protocol in a few days.

Looking for Heavy Metal/Detox advice.

My last attempt still has be a bit foggy so specifics would be appreciated.


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Posted 7/3/2018 8:23 PM (GMT 0)
what heavy metals are you dealing with?

DMSA and lipoic acid chelates and removes lead, mercury, cadmium, and arsenic

Modified Citrus Pectin Increases Lead, Cadmium, and Arsenic Excretion (note: this is not the same as chelating and wont remove heavy metal from tissues)

Sauna/Sweating Increases Arsenic, Cadmium, Lead, and Mercury Excretion

I personally have a very veyr low opinion of Klinghardt's heavy metal notions because he spout a lot of non-scientific nonsense.

great article here with lots of references.

/www.selfhacked.com/blog/heavy-metals-detox/

Post Edited (Lapis_29) : 7/3/2018 2:26:58 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/3/2018 11:18 PM (GMT 0)

Lapis_29 said...
what heavy metals are you dealing with?

DMSA and lipoic acid chelates and removes lead, mercury, cadmium, and arsenic

Modified Citrus Pectin Increases Lead, Cadmium, and Arsenic Excretion (note: this is not the same as chelating and wont remove heavy metal from tissues)

Sauna/Sweating Increases Arsenic, Cadmium, Lead, and Mercury Excretion

I personally have a very veyr low opinion of Klinghardt's heavy metal notions because he spout a lot of non-scientific nonsense.

great article here with lots of references.

/www.selfhacked.com/blog/heavy-metals-detox/


So that's a good question,,I don't know. At this point I'm only speculating. Not sure if I;m going down a rabbit whole with no end or a possibly of getting to my root cause.

Here's what I know.

*Treating Lyme since Dec/ Doxy/Tinmax and on month 4 of Cowden.

*Had real good results on Cowden's Parasite Herbs but seems scripts are the way to go.

*Started Kinghardt( Really Dr Yu's) Parasite Protcol and almost ended up in the ER 7 days later.

*Speculating(and LLMD theory) is my reaction was a Heavy Metal overload.

* So I don't know what type or if I have HM. I had at least 8 amalgams removed in the 90's over about a 6 month period. (No special dental treatment,, just drilled) Also being a hard core Tuna fisherman in my earlier years, I've consumed probably 40 lbs of raw tuna sashimi over a 15 year period.

*Also I used Sludge fertilizer with Cadmium on my lawn years ago all the time.


So I think Mercury and possibly Cadmium.

Is there a test?

Reading up about the CUTLER PROTOCOL and using ALA (alpha lipoic acid)

Thoughts?? Any advice welcome.












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Posted 7/4/2018 12:02 AM (GMT 0)
How about diatomaceous earth? I heard it is very good for binding aluminum.
Posted 7/4/2018 12:37 AM (GMT 0)
i mispoke a bit earler, as cadmium is removed by DMSA but not lipoic acid

mercury is removed by both DMSA and lipoic acid

mercury testing is very controverisial, with hair testing being the most accurate.

here is a great article on it


https://thepowerofozone.com/4-best-ways-test-mercury-toxicity/

neither dmsa nor lipoic acid will hurt you, so trying them out should be fine. Most people have at least some mercury lead cadmium, etc all of which dmsa will chelate and remove.

Try taking a small amount of lipoic acid and/or dmsa. on a 3 hour cycle and see how you feel, thats my recommendation.
Posted 7/4/2018 1:41 AM (GMT 0)
Lapis,

Can you recommend a good low dose brand of DMSA and ALA?
Posted 7/4/2018 1:47 AM (GMT 0)
[quote="Lapis_29]
neither dmsa nor lipoic acid will hurt you, so trying them out should be fine. Most people have at least some mercury lead cadmium, etc all of which dmsa will chelate and remove.

I read that if you have mercury amalgams that you shouldn’t take ala because it will pull it from the fillings and distribute it into your tissues and brain... is that not true?
Posted 7/4/2018 6:31 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
[quote="Lapis_29]
neither dmsa nor lipoic acid will hurt you, so trying them out should be fine. Most people have at least some mercury lead cadmium, etc all of which dmsa will chelate and remove.

I read that if you have mercury amalgams that you shouldn’t take ala because it will pull it from the fillings and distribute it into your tissues and brain... is that not true?

yes, that is true
Posted 7/4/2018 6:37 PM (GMT 0)

WalkingbyFaith said...
Lapis,

Can you recommend a good low dose brand of DMSA and ALA?

Source Naturals has Lipoic Acid 50mg

for dmsa try here

/www.livingsupplements.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_8
Posted 7/4/2018 7:43 PM (GMT 0)
Clearly it would appear you need to deal with the parasites. I would start the protocol again-maybe take 20% less. I saw Dr. Yu and did his parasite cleanse-several times. The first two months were terrible for me but after I regained a piece of my health I never thought I could.
Its likely to be better the second time.
Posted 7/4/2018 10:10 PM (GMT 0)

magoo2 said...
Clearly it would appear you need to deal with the parasites. I would start the protocol again-maybe take 20% less. I saw Dr. Yu and did his parasite cleanse-several times. The first two months were terrible for me but after I regained a piece of my health I never thought I could.
Its likely to be better the second time.

I agree

try the parasite protocol again, but MUCH less, less than half. Then work your way up. Thats probably the best thing to do
Posted 7/4/2018 10:42 PM (GMT 0)
You have your target-remember you will feel better when you clear out the parasites
Posted 7/4/2018 11:30 PM (GMT 0)
ok so I get the lower dose plan.

Also plan to do one more month of Cowden protocol. Im back on the Parasite phase and I figure can knock my load down some more prior to bringing the big guns back out,.

For the scripts, I’ve put in a order with All Day Chemist. I want to get all all 4 cycles of meds in advance.

My only last qestion is do I do a Chelation at the same time? Seems like I’ll be dealing with enough heavy metals.

Seems like ALA will release more.

Maybe binders? I plan on stopping all other treatment while on the Parasite protocol.
Posted 7/5/2018 12:29 AM (GMT 0)

Mark FW said...


My only last qestion is do I do a Chelation at the same time?

no

one thing at a time, otherwise if you have a bad reaction you dont know what you are reacting to
Posted 7/6/2018 8:55 PM (GMT 0)
Mark, I followed the Cutler protocol for 3 years. Felt he was the most careful regarding the use of chelating agents. He believed they can be harmful (take the mercury, other metals out of where they are stored and dump them into other places) if not used properly. I began to feel better. However, a year of tremendous stresses of all kinds set me back and I stopped in order to deal with Lyme & Co. Can't imagine trying to do both at the same time for myself. Perhaps later on, when I've got the coinfections somewhat tamed.
Check the FDC (frequent dose chelation) group on Yahoo if you want more on Cutler or have questions.
Posted 7/6/2018 10:03 PM (GMT 0)
Can someone tell me what order this needs to be done?

I'm getting my last amalgams out next week and just restarted Candicid Forte for possible candida.

After amalgam removal, in what order do I

- start Cutler or other metal detox/chelation protocol
- treat possible parasites
- treat possible candida/other fungal

Like I said, I just restarted Candicid Forte. I'm also already on modified citrus pectin as well as pectin/algimate combo. Do I continue with all this once I start the other protocols?

What vitamins/minerals should I supplement? I have zinc, selenium, molybdenum, B12, B6, magnesium, Vit C. Am I missing anything? Do these need to be supplemented throughout heavy metal chelation?
Posted 7/6/2018 10:17 PM (GMT 0)

Lapis_29 said...

great article here with lots of references.

/www.selfhacked.com/blog/heavy-metals-detox/

That article reports on what other references have stated on the matter. He does not point out the conflicting advice or pitfalls and dangers in the information he is simply reporting, and from what I can see, there's a lot of potentially dangerous informartion being passed along in that article, unchallenged.

According to Cutler and/or other real people out there who have done these things and reported their adverse effects on the internet, the following have hurt some people.

- chlorella (with or without amalgams)
-cilantro
-any form of IV chelation
-challenge test for heavy metals
-DMSA (IV and oral)
-EDTA

These are the ones I can remember. There may be more.

Why these things harm some people:
-mobilizing too much at one time
-impaired detox organs
-methylation/sulfation or other genetic issues
-sulfur sensitivities
-depleted minerals
-?????

Just wanted to point this out for those who may not be aware.
Posted 7/6/2018 11:14 PM (GMT 0)

WalkingbyFaith said...

Lapis_29 said...

great article here with lots of references.

/www.selfhacked.com/blog/heavy-metals-detox/

That article reports on what other references have stated on the matter. He does not point out the conflicting advice or pitfalls and dangers in the information he is simply reporting, and from what I can see, there's a lot of potentially dangerous informartion being passed along in that article, unchallenged.

According to Cutler and/or other real people out there who have done these things and reported their adverse effects on the internet, the following have hurt some people.

- chlorella (with or without amalgams)
-cilantro
-any form of IV chelation
-challenge test for heavy metals
-DMSA (IV and oral)
-EDTA

These are the ones I can remember. There may be more.

Why these things harm some people:
-mobilizing too much at one time
-impaired detox organs
-methylation/sulfation or other genetic issues
-sulfur sensitivities
-depleted minerals
-?????

Just wanted to point this out for those who may not be aware.


So My point exactly. I do not want anything else to "Mobilize" Heavy Metals. I just want to Mop up what the Parasite die off will leave behind.
Posted 7/7/2018 12:06 AM (GMT 0)
Mark,

I'm no expert on this and have been researching and asking just like yiu have. From what I can renember, Cutler recommended starting with oral DMSA and then either adding or switching to ALA (not R-ALA). Both low dose, like 12.5mg and dosed by the half life (4 hrs DMSA, 3 hrs ALA). Does this agree with what you have read/understand?

Some people may have trouble with DMSA because of sulfur issues?? I think I'm going to just have try it to find out if I can tolerate it.
Posted 7/7/2018 12:19 AM (GMT 0)
This is what Dr. Eliaz, the maker of Pectasol-C has to say:

www.dreliaz.org/recommended-product/for-chelation-and-detoxification/

Modified citrus pectin, like Pectasol-C, seem to be the safest to use.

However, I don't know that it would be enough to mop up a big metal dump that could occur with parasite removal, candida die off, or a post amalgam removal dump.
Posted 7/7/2018 8:55 PM (GMT 0)
Walkingbyfaith:
Caveat as I can only speak to the Cutler protocol. If you are not having any problem reactions to the Candicid Forte, it should be OK to take it while you are chelating. Please be aware that DMSA can cause candida or candida flareups. DMPS does not. I was unable to tolerate DMSA, so could only use DMPS. I had some amount of candida all along and periodically treated for it. A parasite cleanse is pretty intense, so would do that either before beginning chelation if you think that the parasite problem is severe or wait and later take a short(ish) break from chelating to do the cleanse.

Do you have Cutler's Amalgam Illness? It is worth getting a copy so you can plan and know what supplements you might need, etc. Also, as with Buhner, his beginning doses of chelating agents is far too high for most and since it sounds as though you are sensitive, you should start at small amounts.
Posted 7/8/2018 1:12 AM (GMT 0)

delisa said...
Walkingbyfaith:
Caveat as I can only speak to the Cutler protocol. If you are not having any problem reactions to the Candicid Forte, it should be OK to take it while you are chelating. Please be aware that DMSA can cause candida or candida flareups. DMPS does not. I was unable to tolerate DMSA, so could only use DMPS. I had some amount of candida all along and periodically treated for it. A parasite cleanse is pretty intense, so would do that either before beginning chelation if you think that the parasite problem is severe or wait and later take a short(ish) break from chelating to do the cleanse.

Do you have Cutler's Amalgam Illness? It is worth getting a copy so you can plan and know what supplements you might need, etc. Also, as with Buhner, his beginning doses of chelating agents is far too high for most and since it sounds as though you are sensitive, you should start at small amounts.

Good info. Thanks.

Can you tell what's the difference between DMSA and DMPS?

Do you mind sharing why you couldn't tolerate DMSA?

I am sensitive. Is 12.5mg too much to start with?

I'll probably wait on any real parasite treatment. My doc thinks I may have them. She wants me to take Mimosa pudica for parasites. It's supposed to help constipation but seemed to make mine worse. I did just order Woodland Essence's Para-gone herbal formula to try at some point.
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