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Posted 7/20/2018 8:34 PM (GMT 0)
What herbs can I use for inflammation? Brain inflammation, plus full body.
Posted 7/20/2018 8:59 PM (GMT 0)
Hi ashleylynn,

I used to feel my brain was swelling and about to explode often. I haven't had that except 1 time since I went on the Jernigan remedies. That 1 time was when I went to the zoo in May. There is a lot of stuff from cleaning up after animals and the chemicals they use. When I left the zoo that day, my head was really hurting and that time I felt like my brain had swollen. That happened during my 1st month on the remedies. When I got home, I immediately took a remedy Neuro Antitox II and started drinking liquids. It cleared up that evening. I order from their clinic and get the remedy within 1 or 2 days at the most. They are closed on Fridays and open Mon-Thursday.

Vitamin C helps with inflammation and drinking good water.
Posted 7/20/2018 9:02 PM (GMT 0)
lowering inflammation - anti inflammatory foods and drinks
Posted 7/20/2018 9:34 PM (GMT 0)
My LLMD said turmeric (curcumin pills) + fish oil + vitamin C. Seems to help.
Posted 7/20/2018 9:36 PM (GMT 0)
I don't think it's fast though. Takes some time.

Also, cool temperatures and non-inflammatory foods.
Posted 7/20/2018 9:54 PM (GMT 0)
You also mentioned "full body" referring to inflammation, I had a painful body with fibromyalgia and that has also cleared up. Anti inflammatory foods like Lyme Warrior21 said is beneficial and the Lymogen remedy along with Neuro Antitox II, that I take are what I attribute to not having the fibromylagia now.

Some trigger foods that gave me more overall pain were: sugar, chicken and meat, spicy foods, chips

Foods and supplements that helped me: green vegetables, tubs of organic lettuces and a little spinach, sweet potatoes, celery, yellow squash, other vegetables

small portions of these (1 or 2 Tbsps only):
cannellini beans, or freshly ground seeds (sunflower, hemp, pumpkin, flax, chia) or 1 egg

ginger, curcumin like in turmeric, vit D, Omega 3 fish oil or eat a small portion of wild caught Alaskan Red salmon (I now buy Whole Foods canned and make a salmon salad or whatever), organic unrefined extra virgin coconut oil (refined was bad for me)

herbal tea, I used Detox Tea from Traditional Medicinals a lot; I have a whole cabinet of herbal tea I can choose from depending on how I feel, now

Best to be choosy when you have inflammation like that. Later you can add more to your diet after the inflammation is gone.
Posted 7/20/2018 10:39 PM (GMT 0)

gerdy said...
You also mentioned "full body" referring to inflammation, I had a painful body with fibromyalgia and that has also cleared up. Anti inflammatory foods like Lyme Warrior21 said is beneficial and the Lymogen remedy along with Neuro Antitox II, that I take are what I attribute to not having the fibromylagia now.

Some trigger foods that gave me more overall pain were: sugar, chicken and meat, spicy foods, chips

Foods and supplements that helped me: green vegetables, tubs of organic lettuces and a little spinach, sweet potatoes, celery, yellow squash, other vegetables

small portions of these (1 or 2 Tbsps only):
cannellini beans, or freshly ground seeds (sunflower, hemp, pumpkin, flax, chia) or 1 egg

ginger, curcumin like in turmeric, vit D, Omega 3 fish oil or eat a small portion of wild caught Alaskan Red salmon (I now buy Whole Foods canned and make a salmon salad or whatever), organic unrefined extra virgin coconut oil (refined was bad for me)

herbal tea, I used Detox Tea from Traditional Medicinals a lot; I have a whole cabinet of herbal tea I can choose from depending on how I feel, now

Best to be choosy when you have inflammation like that. Later you can add more to your diet after the inflammation is gone.

I have some questions if you don't mind. First one is did you start the diet at the same time as Jernigan's?

How much does Jernigan's cost you total each month?

Did you try Buhner before without as much success?

I appreciate the answers as I'm trying to get on a system that will help me right now. I get lyme seizures, I have chemical sensitivity, I have severe neuro symptoms.
Posted 7/21/2018 12:48 AM (GMT 0)
Hi ashleylynn,


I came to this forum in February searching for an answer to an urgent situation. I had the swelling with legs doubling in size knees down to toes, fibromyalgia, brain headache swelling, and also I was having anxiety and a bit of panic with not being able to swallow good to the extent that it was affecting my breathing. So, I cut the triggers that I mentioned earlier. I changed my diet so I could swallow and reduce leg swelling and brain swelling.

Once I was able to swallow, I concentrated on chronic lyme. I started on an improved diet following Jernigan's recommendations from his book that I read (eliminating anything I'm allergic to).

I then ordered the remedies recommended for me in his book:

1. always take a form of Neuro Antitox II (I take Basic because I had mutiple symptoms that were strong)

2. and, because I also have bartonella, Dr. Jernigan says in his book to take Lymogen for 2 months, then change to Borrelogen for 2 months, then take Microbojen for 2 months.

So, I have 2 remedies that I must take (anything else is what I do on my own). I take each remedy 3 times a day, usually before I eat because it's easy to keep up with when I take them.

Each remedy costs $48 plus shipping and gets to me within 1 to 2 days from when I order it.

I'm checking my journal to see how long each lasted the 1st month. I always run out of Neuro Antitox before the other because I take extra sometimes when I do have an occasional headache (but no more brain swelling other than after the zoo trip). Also he recommends you start taking NA II a week before the other remedy. NA II is relaxing and helps prevent herxing. Here's what I wrote in my journal about it on May 1, 2018
"1st dose of Neuro Antitox II, Basic, 2 droppers: 10:15pm It's relaxing; feeling no pain"

So, May 1st was my 1st dose of NA II Basic and I ran out of it on May 31st. That's 1 month for NA II.
Lymogen has the same amount, same size bottle. I take the same amount 3x a day so it lasted a month.

1 month for NA II and Lymogen = 48 x 2 = 96 + shipping to me about 12 = 110 per month.

I noticed the 2nd order for NA II Basic only lasted around 20 days, so I used it more often.

Next question, Buhner, no never tried it.

Jernigan is the only remedies I am using. I take advice on general things but I don't take prescriptions or other remedies.

You said you have chemical sensitivity. I am very chemically sensitive. For that reason, I followed the book again, and because of the alcohol sensitivity, I took "2 molybdenum" tablets before taking the remedies. I did this for the 1st month and then didn't need to take the molybdenum. Molybdenum is not very expensive and can be purchased at Whole Foods or other natural supplement store. I think it costs about 12.

Don't hesitate to email me ashleylynn, if you want more information.
Posted 7/21/2018 1:11 AM (GMT 0)
Garlic is my favorite anti-immflammatory.
Posted 7/21/2018 2:39 AM (GMT 0)

gerdy said...
Hi ashleylynn,

You said you have chemical sensitivity. I am very chemically sensitive. For that reason, I followed the book again, and because of the alcohol sensitivity, I took "2 molybdenum" tablets before taking the remedies. I did this for the 1st month and then didn't need to take the molybdenum. Molybdenum is not very expensive and can be purchased at Whole Foods or other natural supplement store. I think it costs about 12.

Don't hesitate to email me ashleylynn, if you want more information.

So these are in an alcohol tincture then. Alcohol makes me feel like I'm going to pass out. I also have the same exact swallowing and breathing problems. Feelings like tightness in my throat and disfunctioning muscles. I am on Buhner at the moment. Honestly the price of Jernigans is not that bad and I will definitely consider it. I'm not saying Buhner isn't working, it definitely produces a herx. I just have not had the lowered inflammation from Buhner that I desperately need. I may not be taking enough of something.
Posted 7/21/2018 8:57 PM (GMT 0)
High doses of flax seed oil 3000mg with Magnesium works really well. I dont recommend this be used for prolonged periods for men because of the large oestrogen content in flax oil.
Posted 7/22/2018 2:29 AM (GMT 0)
ashleylynn,

He also made an apple cider vinegar formula for those who cannot take alcohol. I haven't used it because the alcohol remedies work for me.
Posted 7/22/2018 5:50 AM (GMT 0)
Anti inflammatory diet

Cold showers, Epsom salt baths, cbd, vitamin c, acv or fire cider with fresh grated garlic, Tumeric, ginger.
onions.

Serrapeptase, ozone water, fresh green juice
Posted 7/22/2018 9:12 AM (GMT 0)
ashleylynn,

You said that you definitely herx. Dr. Jernigan does not believe anyone should herx or be in pain and has done his best to prevent that from happening with his remedies and protocol. I agree completely with him.

You said you have the same swallowing and breathing problems. I was having anxiety and a bit of panic with not being able to swallow good to the extent that it was affecting my breathing.

I was able to correct this about 75% on the throat and about 95% better feeling intestines/stomach area in 1 day after doing research on what to eat.

I saved a file on this in case I should need it again. Here's what I did:

"Recovery


Day 1

Cook 2 medium, organic red potatoes in water and save the water to sip throughout the day.

No seasoning other than a little apple cider vinegar.
Nothing sauteed or fried. No tomato, onion, or garlic.

Avocado and organic unrefined coconut oil are the only fat today, eaten cool, not warmed.


Ginger tea is also good to sip.

All food is cooked in water or eaten raw.

Eat 1/2 to 1/3 of what you normally eat.

Eat slowly and enjoy your food.


1st meal
1/2 cup organic mashed red potatoes
1 cup lettuce, rinsed (not iceberg)
2 Tbsps. can organic cannellini beans, rinse thoroughly

1. Place lettuce in a bowl and add cooked potatoes and beans.
2. Top with 1/3 avocado mashed, not heated.
3. Pour about 1 Tbsp apple cider vinegar on top as seasoning.

Sip on potato water with a little apple cider vinegar added between meals.

Wait at least 2 hours before the next small meal.

2nd meal
1 small baked sweet potato, 1 Tbsp organic unrefined coconut oil (add oil after it has baked)
2 Tbsps. can organic cannellini beans (thoroughly rinse)
1/2 cup broccoli, cooked
1/3 avocado mashed, not heated
1 tbsp apple cider vinegar

Sip on ginger tea between meals and, potato water ( you can add acv), and warm water at least room temperature (not tap or cold).

After the 2nd meal, my body is comfortable. I'm feeling like a person again.

3rd meal
1 small organic carrot, raw
2 Tbsps organic cannellini beans
1/2 c. lettuce or other vegetable
1/3 avocado mashed on top, not heated
1 Tbsp coconut oil, organic and unrefined

No more food today. That's all.
Still feeling good. This is heaven compared to what I've been going through."

Post Edited (gerdy) : 7/22/2018 3:29:29 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/22/2018 4:55 PM (GMT 0)

gerdy said...
ashleylynn,

You said that you definitely herx. Dr. Jernigan does not believe anyone should herx or be in pain and has done his best to prevent that from happening with his remedies and protocol. I agree completely with him.

You said you have the same swallowing and breathing problems. I was having anxiety and a bit of panic with not being able to swallow good to the extent that it was affecting my breathing.

I was able to correct this about 75% on the throat and about 95% better feeling intestines/stomach area in 1 day after doing research on what to eat.

I saved a file on this in case I should need it again. Here's what I did:

"Recovery


Day 1

Cook 2 medium, organic red potatoes in water and save the water to sip throughout the day.

No seasoning other than a little apple cider vinegar.
Nothing sauteed or fried. No tomato, onion, or garlic.

Avocado and organic unrefined coconut oil are the only fat today, eaten cool, not warmed.


Ginger tea is also good to sip.

All food is cooked in water or eaten raw.

Eat 1/2 to 1/3 of what you normally eat.

Eat slowly and enjoy your food.


1st meal
1/2 cup organic mashed red potatoes
1 cup lettuce, rinsed (not iceberg)
2 Tbsps. can organic cannellini beans, rinse thoroughly

1. Place lettuce in a bowl and add cooked potatoes and beans.
2. Top with 1/3 avocado mashed, not heated.
3. Pour about 1 Tbsp apple cider vinegar on top as seasoning.

Sip on potato water with a little apple cider vinegar added between meals.

Wait at least 2 hours before the next small meal.

2nd meal
1 small baked sweet potato, 1 Tbsp organic unrefined coconut oil (add oil after it has baked)
2 Tbsps. can organic cannellini beans (thoroughly rinse)
1/2 cup broccoli, cooked
1/3 avocado mashed, not heated
1 tbsp apple cider vinegar

Sip on ginger tea between meals and, potato water ( you can add acv), and warm water at least room temperature (not tap or cold).

After the 2nd meal, my body is comfortable. I'm feeling like a person again.

3rd meal
1 small organic carrot, raw
2 Tbsps organic cannellini beans
1/2 c. lettuce or other vegetable
1/3 avocado mashed on top, not heated
1 Tbsp coconut oil, organic and unrefined

No more food today. That's all.
Still feeling good. This is heaven compared to what I've been going through."

Buhner doesn't believe people should herx very much either. I was just saying that I did herx on those herbs so it was an indication that the herbs were working. Specifically I think Japanese knotweed was doing something.

I need to get rid of this bad food I'm eating and change my eating. I see that potatoes is used a lot there. What is your diet like these days? Same diet?
Posted 7/22/2018 7:27 PM (GMT 0)
Funny, I can tell more obvious foods that make me feel no so good.

However-I have NEVER ate food that made me feel "good" or better, ....just not bad.
Posted 7/23/2018 5:48 AM (GMT 0)
boswelia (high qual) in dmso topically ,locally ....if frankencence is good enough for lil baby jesus then ok
Posted 7/24/2018 4:07 AM (GMT 0)
Hi ashleylynn,

"I need to get rid of this bad food I'm eating and change my eating. I see that potatoes is used a lot there. What is your diet like these days? Same diet?"

I'm responding to what you said above.

Food can be very beneficial to your body. Everything you put in your body will affect it. Your environment will also affect you.

I did follow that potato water diet with small meals and limited protein for at least 2 days. I'm not exaggerating about the recovery I felt on the very 1st day that I did this. Foods will definitely affect you.

I don't eat that '1 day diet' now but some of the principles from it I have kept, especially the limited protein, like beans, seeds, 1 egg at a time, or meat including fish. I eat more sweet potatoes and less red potatoes (I never eat russet potatoes, they are 1 of the most contaminated foods on the planet.) I usually have a salad every day now also and lots of vegetables and some fruit, especially berries and grapefruit earlier in the day. I have plenty of good liquids on hand now, too, like herbal tea, purified water (I purchased a 3 gallon container and some local stores, Whole Foods and Natural Grocers, have good water in bulk to fill it up. Natural Grocers only costs about 30 cents a gallon, less than a dollar for 3 gallons). I rarely eat grains but I now drink a rice protein drink in the morning and eat 1/2 a grapefruit. It hasn't caused me any problem.

Sometime during that same month when I had the extreme swallowing and breathing problems and researched to come up with that '1 day diet', I went back to old habits of eating and remembered the potato water; so I sipped on that during the day and ate healthier. I haven't had to completely go on that diet again. If I ever need to, I won't hesitate to go back to it.

One addition I haven't mentioned in any post here is MILK THISTLE. My liver stings often so I take 1 or 2 capsules when it starts stinging. It starts stinging when it is overloaded and almost always when the neighbors are smoking.

Post Edited (gerdy) : 7/23/2018 10:15:43 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/24/2018 4:50 AM (GMT 0)
tongue BAICAL SKULLCAP!!!
I cannot stress this enough....

Scutellaria baicalensis also known as Chinese skullcap has helped me more than anything else with my brain inflammation. It also potentiates other herbs, crosses the BBB, and increases bloodflow to the brain. It's also neuro-protective, nourishing brain tissue. I'd recommend ordering from 1stchineseherbs in bulk and making a tincture or buying the tincture from woodland essence.

I just ordered a pound of the stuff to tincture and give to a friend who has a severe concussion.

For other inflammation: juice tumeric yourself + ginger.

Boswellia.

Hope this helps!
Posted 7/24/2018 12:50 PM (GMT 0)

SickSalamander said...
tongue BAICAL SKULLCAP!!!
I cannot stress this enough....

Scutellaria baicalensis also known as Chinese skullcap has helped me more than anything else with my brain inflammation. It also potentiates other herbs, crosses the BBB, and increases bloodflow to the brain. It's also neuro-protective, nourishing brain tissue. I'd recommend ordering from 1stchineseherbs in bulk and making a tincture or buying the tincture from woodland essence.

I just ordered a pound of the stuff to tincture and give to a friend who has a severe concussion.

For other inflammation: juice tumeric yourself + ginger.

Boswellia.

Hope this helps!

Can you explain which symptoms you had that went away after adding skullcap? thank you.
Posted 7/24/2018 4:50 PM (GMT 0)
It helped all of these things:

Brain inflammation
Feeling "unreal" or weird trippy feeling, fog?
Headache
Stiff neck
Sleeplessness
Tinnitus

I was also taking other "nervine" tinctures (ie calming to the nervous system) and eating only meat and veggies (I've been gluten free for 6 years), so paleo - but I eat gluten free bread sometimes when I'm having a good period.

Oh also I would NOT eat starchy potatoes ONLY eat sweet potatoes and not many. Starchy foods are very inflammatory
Posted 7/24/2018 4:59 PM (GMT 0)
ALSO I just read you post that you have lots of neurological symptoms, I'm very sorry to hear that. Just wanted to add SLEEP!!! I have a blind fold, earplugs and take : "bed time" tincture (i like it cause it has jujube seeds in it, chamomile tincture, skullcap tea (strong brew), passionflower tincture, California poppy tincture, FEVERFEW helped with brain inflammation a lot forgot to mention that before, oh and MOTHERWORT tincture- that one helped the neurological symptoms so much too. (I'm forgetful sorry)
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