Buhner poll

Hope this works.

I would like to know who has done Buhner with or without success.

I have been on Buhner protocols for a year now with good improvements.

You have to take into consideration that we are all unique individuals, and many other individual factors will come into play when treating with any means.

I'm thinking a lot of people who got well from his protocol never came back to the forum.

Chinese Cat’s Claw saved me from neuroborreliosis. I was going mad, an emotional wreck and had what felt like early onset dementia. I’ve NEVER come across a more effect treatment for anything, herbal or synthetic.

His other protocols do work but you have to be treating the right stuff and get your dosages right. And of all he recommends, I believe the antibacterials will provide the most value to you as a patient. You have to be going straight for the bugs, not supporting an already failed body and hoping it gets its crap together enough to kill them all, but I digress.

So you NEED to be taking the right stuff and it needs to be in the right amounts. Example: my babesia was not responding to CSA when I took woodland essence 1:7, or when I took 1:3 at 1/2 tsp 3x per day. I only got anywhere when I began on 1.5 tsp of each cryptolepis, sida, bidens, 3-4x/ day at 1:2 concentration.
As it so happens I have a CYP3A4 liver enzyme fast drug metabolising gene so that probably explains it.

I believe Buhner’s approach to be the most comprehensive contained within a single protocol by any oraftitioner I’ve come across. But you need to be taking the right stuff, for the right things, in the right amounts. And that requires a lot of experimentation and a little bit of daring on your part.

EDIT: voted for significant improvement with relapse (short term) relapse is normal I think. Doesn’t say anything about the quality of Buhner’s work.

Markus,

I agree with goshawk and ljohn's comments.

I have been on Buhner's protocols for 13 months without significant improvement. I am definitely one of those that goshawk referred to. I have other issues, such as CIRS from mold exposure and one of the "dreaded" HLA-DR genetic types for multi-susceptibility to biotoxins. I also had a mouthful of amalgams that I got replaced this week. Unfortunately, I was not one of those who felt an immediate relief of any symptoms once they were all out. I'm sure I have many other issues that I cannot verify without testing. I can't afford anymore testing. I'm doing what I can on my own.

I am very sensititive and have worsened symptoms from tiny doses. I also have gut dysfunction (constipation). I know I have some unidentified issue in my gut. I suspect candida, but no one talks about candida causing constipation.

I've also apparently had the Lyme and coinfections since birth or early childhood. I didn't start having life-altering symptoms until age 39. I'm 48 now. For me, it's a long, complex history that is yet to be unravelled.

Even though I say I have not noticed significant improvement, that's a very subjective statement. Two to three years ago, I had a lot more symptoms and they were much worse in many ways than what I have now. I have fewer symptoms now. The main difference is now, everything feels deeper. I don't know how else to explain it. Like the infections and the dysfunction in my body have dug in deeper. I feel more dysfunctional, more disabled mentally and physically. I have more muscle fatigue now. Less stamina. Can't do much manual labor. I feel more cognitively impaired, yet I don't have some of the more disturbing neuro symptoms I used to have. I don't have tremors anymore. I don't walk into the doorframe or hit my head on the car door anymore. I suspect the tremors and loss of balance for me were due to mold and not Lyme/co.

That feeling of the dysfunction going deeper and becoming more entrenched really became noticeable after I started the anti-microbials. Maybe that's why. Maybe it drove the infections deeper into tissue or biofilm or cysts or whatever. In addition to that, I feel more fragile emotionally, psychologically. I guess that's PTSD.

I'm not telling you all this to scare you or discourage you. I'm telling you to illustrate the point that goshawk made - that we are all very different and some of us will struggle more than others NO MATTER which treatment protocol we use. What's important is to stay focused and keep moving forward.

Experience will teach you much, but you will still be surprised all along this journey. As long as you are treating these infections and trying to aid your body's healing capacities, your body is adapting all the time to the internal and external changes occuring. Healing from Lyme is a dynamic process. It's not obtained by following a formula. It isn't stagnant. You could do the same treatment for some months and change some things and then go back to the initial treatment months or years later, and your body's response may not be the same.

Adaptability is the name of this game. Sometimes, the tiniest changes or tweaks can have the most overarching effect.

(Sorry for the discertation, LOL!!)

Thanks for taking part. Anyone else? It's just one click. I would think here are much more with Buhner experience?

I'm 6 weeks on Buhner but no improvement yet. Then again I believe I was bitten over 25 years ago so maybe I will take longer before noticing anything.

cppoly said...
I'm 6 weeks on Buhner but no improvement yet. Then again I believe I was bitten over 25 years ago so maybe I will take longer before noticing anything.

If you're at least noticing a herx reaction, then this is a step in the right direction I believe and things will turn around at some point.

Aerose91 said...
I did his protocol for 8 months and saw no change. I herxed initially for about 2 weeks but once that subsided i had no improvement and nothing afterward

When you stopped herxing, did you try upping the dosages or did you just keep the same dosage? Were you only taking the main herbs, or were you taking several of the herbs recommended by him?

torontolyme said...
starting Buhner protocol next week. The results from this survey are not very promising. Hopefully the results are a bit skewed though as I'm sure many of the people who have successes drop off this forum.

Yes people who heal leave.... but so do people who don’t heal.

Generally there’s quite a “turnover” of members except for a few of us...


Also - most threads are active for just a couple days - even most active members don’t come on everyday.

We can keep this thread active longer - just keep bumping it if it falls off the first page - then we’ll get more input.

*bump*